Replace my shocks or go for coil overs.
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Thanks JimTT, lots of great info in this thread. Gotta be tough waiting for the coilovers to arrive! BTW, were you able to confirm what the difference is between the US and the Europe version of the pss10? Just curious.
I still haven't ordered my coilovers yet, I'm pretty much locked into the H&R streets. They seem like a heck of a value.
Only thing holding me back is I've been researching the pss10 a bit but I really would like to set up the car ride height wise, alignment, and just drive it. I don't think I need the additional adjustments. If I'm not mistaken the H&R use bilstein shocks with H&R springs and I'm guessing the valving would be somewhere midway within the pss10 settings. If I do decide to upgrade to something more advanced in the future I could still do so.
I still haven't ordered my coilovers yet, I'm pretty much locked into the H&R streets. They seem like a heck of a value.
Only thing holding me back is I've been researching the pss10 a bit but I really would like to set up the car ride height wise, alignment, and just drive it. I don't think I need the additional adjustments. If I'm not mistaken the H&R use bilstein shocks with H&R springs and I'm guessing the valving would be somewhere midway within the pss10 settings. If I do decide to upgrade to something more advanced in the future I could still do so.
According to Powdrhound you cannot go wrong with the H&R coilovers and yes they have Bilstein struts.
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^ i believe the h&r uses konis? or the ones i linked/posted did?! though of course i might be mistaken. i would rather have bilsteins even if i cant tell folks exactly why.
<Street Performance SS Coil Overs
Height adjustable to 1.0 - 2.7” on average
Adjustable shock damping
H&R Street Performance SS Coil Overs are now available with polished stainless steel shock tubes. These new Coil Overs are shock damping adjustable—allowing personalized tuning of the shock setting to suit driving needs for high performance or comfort. Height adjustability is made possible by fully threaded shock bodies and easy to adjust spring seats / locking rings. H&R ride development engineers have precisely plotted the perfect shock damping curves of each application for optimized handling and superb ride comfort. To ensure the best quality available H&R has partnered with world-renowned shock absorber specialist KONI to manufacture the shocks.>
though that 2.7 max drop is just about right
<Street Performance SS Coil Overs
Height adjustable to 1.0 - 2.7” on average
Adjustable shock damping
H&R Street Performance SS Coil Overs are now available with polished stainless steel shock tubes. These new Coil Overs are shock damping adjustable—allowing personalized tuning of the shock setting to suit driving needs for high performance or comfort. Height adjustability is made possible by fully threaded shock bodies and easy to adjust spring seats / locking rings. H&R ride development engineers have precisely plotted the perfect shock damping curves of each application for optimized handling and superb ride comfort. To ensure the best quality available H&R has partnered with world-renowned shock absorber specialist KONI to manufacture the shocks.>
though that 2.7 max drop is just about right
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^ i believe the h&r uses konis? or the ones i linked/posted did?! though of course i might be mistaken. i would rather have bilsteins even if i cant tell folks exactly why.
<Street Performance SS Coil Overs
Height adjustable to 1.0 - 2.7” on average
Adjustable shock damping
H&R Street Performance SS Coil Overs are now available with polished stainless steel shock tubes. These new Coil Overs are shock damping adjustable—allowing personalized tuning of the shock setting to suit driving needs for high performance or comfort. Height adjustability is made possible by fully threaded shock bodies and easy to adjust spring seats / locking rings. H&R ride development engineers have precisely plotted the perfect shock damping curves of each application for optimized handling and superb ride comfort. To ensure the best quality available H&R has partnered with world-renowned shock absorber specialist KONI to manufacture the shocks.>
though that 2.7 max drop is just about right
<Street Performance SS Coil Overs
Height adjustable to 1.0 - 2.7” on average
Adjustable shock damping
H&R Street Performance SS Coil Overs are now available with polished stainless steel shock tubes. These new Coil Overs are shock damping adjustable—allowing personalized tuning of the shock setting to suit driving needs for high performance or comfort. Height adjustability is made possible by fully threaded shock bodies and easy to adjust spring seats / locking rings. H&R ride development engineers have precisely plotted the perfect shock damping curves of each application for optimized handling and superb ride comfort. To ensure the best quality available H&R has partnered with world-renowned shock absorber specialist KONI to manufacture the shocks.>
though that 2.7 max drop is just about right
They were really good at absorbing most bumps and handled very well as a street set up.
Non damper adjustment but I found the lower you adjusted the ride height the stiffer the rebound.
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agree^ either would be fine for me. I'm not that discerning i suppose esp if i STILL cant find fault with my current setup. but it isn't fully rwd geometrically speaking until i get the uprights etc sorted. grrr lol
still confused as why h&r says they "partnered with KONI?" for their rss street setup? it matters not. either will suffice as you guys say.
still confused as why h&r says they "partnered with KONI?" for their rss street setup? it matters not. either will suffice as you guys say.
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I think the "SS Street" is another version of coilovers they offer for other cars, those mention Koni in the description.
See here for all the coilover versions they offer. If you look as SS Street on the list it's the only one that mentions Koni...
http://www.hrsprings.com/products/coil-overs/
As far as I know they only offer 2 versions of coilovers for 996T:
Part# 29462-2 H&R Street
Part# RSS-37-462-2/1 H&R RSS Clubsport
I believe both 996T versions use Bilstein. I also think I have read a coouple times that there is a label on the shocks that say H&R but they are stamped Bilstein.
See here for all the coilover versions they offer. If you look as SS Street on the list it's the only one that mentions Koni...
http://www.hrsprings.com/products/coil-overs/
As far as I know they only offer 2 versions of coilovers for 996T:
Part# 29462-2 H&R Street
Part# RSS-37-462-2/1 H&R RSS Clubsport
I believe both 996T versions use Bilstein. I also think I have read a coouple times that there is a label on the shocks that say H&R but they are stamped Bilstein.
agree^ either would be fine for me. I'm not that discerning i suppose esp if i STILL cant find fault with my current setup. but it isn't fully rwd geometrically speaking until i get the uprights etc sorted. grrr lol
still confused as why h&r says they "partnered with KONI?" for their rss street setup? it matters not. either will suffice as you guys say.
still confused as why h&r says they "partnered with KONI?" for their rss street setup? it matters not. either will suffice as you guys say.
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I think the "SS Street" is another version of coilovers they offer for other cars, those mention Koni in the description.
See here for all the coilover versions they offer. If you look as SS Street on the list it's the only one that mentions Koni...
http://www.hrsprings.com/products/coil-overs/
As far as I know they only offer 2 versions of coilovers for 996T:
Part# 29462-2 H&R Street
Part# RSS-37-462-2/1 H&R RSS Clubsport
I believe both 996T versions use Bilstein. I also think I have read a coouple times that there is a label on the shocks that say H&R but they are stamped Bilstein.
See here for all the coilover versions they offer. If you look as SS Street on the list it's the only one that mentions Koni...
http://www.hrsprings.com/products/coil-overs/
As far as I know they only offer 2 versions of coilovers for 996T:
Part# 29462-2 H&R Street
Part# RSS-37-462-2/1 H&R RSS Clubsport
I believe both 996T versions use Bilstein. I also think I have read a coouple times that there is a label on the shocks that say H&R but they are stamped Bilstein.
H&R Street Performance Coil Overs are the perfect suspension solution for discerning drivers—from daily drivers to serious tuners—who can appreciate the awesome handling and superb ride comfort. Each coil over shock is custom valved to work in conjunction with a precision-engineered progressive rate spring, creating a finely tuned suspension system. The fully threaded shock body allows for adjustable vehicle height. This feature helps balance vehicle weight, resulting in a lower center of gravity and improved performance and control.
Note: Ultra Performance are Street Performance Coil Overs with higher performance springs and shocks that are tuned for the more sporty driver. Their performance level is a step between our Street Performance and RSS Coil Overs.
Street Performance SS Coil Overs
Street Performance SS Coil Overs
Height adjustable to 1.0 - 2.7” on average
Adjustable shock damping
H&R Street Performance SS Coil Overs are now available with polished stainless steel shock tubes. These new Coil Overs are shock damping adjustable—allowing personalized tuning of the shock setting to suit driving needs for high performance or comfort. Height adjustability is made possible by fully threaded shock bodies and easy to adjust spring seats / locking rings. H&R ride development engineers have precisely plotted the perfect shock damping curves of each application for optimized handling and superb ride comfort. To ensure the best quality available H&R has partnered with world-renowned shock absorber specialist KONI to manufacture the shocks.
Note: Ultra Performance are Street Performance Coil Overs with higher performance springs and shocks that are tuned for the more sporty driver. Their performance level is a step between our Street Performance and RSS Coil Overs.
Street Performance SS Coil Overs
Street Performance SS Coil Overs
Height adjustable to 1.0 - 2.7” on average
Adjustable shock damping
H&R Street Performance SS Coil Overs are now available with polished stainless steel shock tubes. These new Coil Overs are shock damping adjustable—allowing personalized tuning of the shock setting to suit driving needs for high performance or comfort. Height adjustability is made possible by fully threaded shock bodies and easy to adjust spring seats / locking rings. H&R ride development engineers have precisely plotted the perfect shock damping curves of each application for optimized handling and superb ride comfort. To ensure the best quality available H&R has partnered with world-renowned shock absorber specialist KONI to manufacture the shocks.
gee, cant imagine how that might've happened lol but yeah, this is correct and what that make for "us"
(1) Street Perf. Coil Over AWD 1.0 - 2.25 1.0 - 2.25 29462-2 $2,500.00 Kit
(2) RSS Coil Over RSS1462-1 $2,480.00 Kit
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Yup, I know it's really confusing! I have been going pretty crazy trying to figure out what would be best for me so I have been all over H&R and Bilstein websites, that's the only reason I knew about all the different versions.
Based on what I have read, it should be Bilstein for both 996T versions but I am not 100%. Only way to know for sure is to order up a set and find out lol ...I'm really close to doing it so...
Based on what I have read, it should be Bilstein for both 996T versions but I am not 100%. Only way to know for sure is to order up a set and find out
lol ...I'm really close to doing it so...
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Yeah, it really seems like they are both great options.
I plan to lower about an 1" or maybe an 1 1/4" and based on what I've been reading that should be no prob. They do have a huge range of height adjustment.
I plan to lower about an 1" or maybe an 1 1/4" and based on what I've been reading that should be no prob. They do have a huge range of height adjustment.
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Yup, I know it's really confusing! I have been going pretty crazy trying to figure out what would be best for me so I have been all over H&R and Bilstein websites, that's the only reason I knew about all the different versions.
Based on what I have read, it should be Bilstein for both 996T versions but I am not 100%. Only way to know for sure is to order up a set and find out lol ...I'm really close to doing it so...
Based on what I have read, it should be Bilstein for both 996T versions but I am not 100%. Only way to know for sure is to order up a set and find out
lol ...I'm really close to doing it so...but..i'm not the guy that "over parts" his car, and each upgrade must be an improvement and work in concert in ascending stages with what i have already done. i'd bet 90% of guys that put coil over setups on their sunday cars didn't really "need" em in the first place. but it's not a dig at coil overs, as they are admittedly the optimal equipment for the track. i just dont track, and thats what'll make the difference in my decision. i've seen what the car'll do with lowered w h&r springs & gt3 sways etc at the track. not a whole lot of time to be gained and not much body roll, near as i can tell but its all conjecture on my part. gotta love parts
and the continual modding deal is as addictive as any controlled substance. you'll have to take my word on that
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I hear you, weight is the enemy! And, yeah this platform just lends itself effortlessly to modding...lol
Forgive me for this basic question (I have not looked into what it takes to go rwd) but Is it possible to keep 996T geometry and still remove the front dif and associated/no longer needed parts?
Forgive me for this basic question (I have not looked into what it takes to go rwd) but Is it possible to keep 996T geometry and still remove the front dif and associated/no longer needed parts?
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I hear you, weight is the enemy! And, yeah this platform just lends itself effortlessly to modding...lol
Forgive me for this basic question (I have not looked into what it takes to go rwd) but Is it possible to keep 996T geometry and still remove the front dif and associated/no longer needed parts?
Forgive me for this basic question (I have not looked into what it takes to go rwd) but Is it possible to keep 996T geometry and still remove the front dif and associated/no longer needed parts?
back to your question tho...yes you can rwd convert by eliminating just the cardan shaft and removing the front diff, but you'll need an LSD whether a torque biasing diff? as I am using, or a plate type eg a guard 60/40 ( expensive ), or you are (IMO) wasting your time in addition to not really helping or achieving the FULL benefit of a rwd conversion.
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absofrigginlutely, and it ain't "half" bad either.
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I'm told i'll just need lca's. not cheap but only added to the 1250. all other parts are in good shape as i am told, and have just been removed from a car going back to stock. i dont even have to pay for stubbing axles.
thx for your input. I've got some thinkin to do, and am only concerned that i am putting "used" stuff on, and when it comes to suspension, that alone doesn't "feel" right. we'll see.
again, thanks.
thx for your input. I've got some thinkin to do, and am only concerned that i am putting "used" stuff on, and when it comes to suspension, that alone doesn't "feel" right. we'll see.
again, thanks.
how much are the lca? if its more than 1000$ your back into new tt setup territory