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Car wont make commanded Boost. I give up!!!!

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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 993GT
^can't believe I 'missed' wastegate adjustment...if the rod/flap tension is too loose the turbo's will never hit desired boost pressure(unless a permanent vacuum is applied)...hook up the N75/hoses/etc and tighten down the rods a 1/4turn or so each try(leave the clips off and the jamnuts just 'snugged') until you find desired pressure-assuming its the issue. 1bar wastegate should begin to loosen/crack rod tension at 1bar/~14.5psi

also, it's imperative that both start points on the threads are equal left/right before adjustments are incrementally made in that 1/4 turn method. or else there will be inequal opening btw the two. that *might* seem obvious, but you'd be amazed lol
 
Old Jun 19, 2015 | 09:14 AM
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Good point Mark, I like to pressure balance the two WG as well, common pressure source with a splitter/hoses to each WG, visually see both crack at same time
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also, it's imperative that both start points on the threads are equal left/right before adjustments are incrementally made in that 1/4 turn method. or else there will be inequal opening btw the two. that *might* seem obvious, but you'd be amazed lol
 
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excellent point(s).
 
Old Jun 19, 2015 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BLKMGK
Possibly he has the W/G cracked open by having too much tension on the rod however this isn't his first set of W/G. counting what was likely on the orginal set he swapped back in I think he's had 3? W/G on here? I know he got a set of 1BAR W/G from Krazy in an attempt to rule out W/G issues. I'm not sure how he wired them closed but I know it's doable and can be done if the vac is disconnected but if tension is too high it might leak. He's done multiple boost leak tests and I believe the DVs were replaced. Not sure about the check valves but he's had that system torn completely apart I think - this is his third thread about the problem :-(
too much tension, ie shortening the rod or tightening it makes more boost.

When the actuator gets boost pressure from its line, the rod moves out thus opening the flap and bypassing the turbine.

When you shorten the rod or shim it, it pulls out some of the initial travel thus postponing when the flap opens.

So proper adjustment and synchronization are key.

The idea I had was the constant here is the person, not the parts. So in theory you could install 47 thousand wastegate, but without proper set up, none will work.

So many things have been changed at this point with little to no effect...the flap on the wastegate leaking or being open would result in little differences by replacing those other parts.
 
Old Jun 19, 2015 | 02:41 PM
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Thanks for all the input guys. Unfortunately pretty much everything mentioned I have checked and double checked. Not only did I tighten the actuator rods, disable the actuators I also wired them shut so the physically can't open.

If there is an issue with the wastegate then it's a broken flap but I checked them the last time I swapped turbos and they looked fine.

I'm going to look into the TB not opening all the way next week and I'll report back.

I appreciate all the help!
 
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W/G adjustment and balance is indeed important. However he has disconnected the vac signal to the cans which ought to rule that out as he's said above. I'm betting and hoping it's the throttle plate not fully opening at this point
 
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Car wont make commanded Boost. I give up!!!!

Still wouldn't matter with vac hose disconnected if it was too loose.

On the other hand I have had TB failure, in fact I think I gave it again. Haven't had time to look at it yet.

But I have tons of codes.
 
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Log your "actual value throttle" position during a WOT pull. Your ECU will close the throttle to approximately 30% open when over boosting is sensed. You might have been over boosting all along and your ECU is protecting your engine.
 
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Log your "actual value throttle" position during a WOT pull. Your ECU will close the throttle to approximately 30% open when over boosting is sensed. You might have been over boosting all along and your ECU is protecting your engine.
 
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Do you have a Durametric to log?
What's your elevation ?
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
Do you have a Durametric to log?
What's your elevation ?
Hi Markski,
Yes I do. I am off on Wednesday so I hope to try some stuff and do some logs to post up that day. I am pretty much at sea level.
 
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Have you sent the logs to your tuner ? Maybe the wgs are set up too soft. Maybe the n75 duty cycle needs to be turned up.
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
Have you sent the logs to your tuner ? Maybe the wgs are set up too soft. Maybe the n75 duty cycle needs to be turned up.
I did send him some logs but they only had the following perameters:
RPM
Load
B1 Lamda
Boost Pressure
Set Point boost Pressure


I think the fact that I wired the wastegate actuators shut and that made no difference eliminates these posibilities. The only thing I can think of is if the flapper on one of the turbos is broken but if it is it is not apperent since I looked at them the last time I had the exhaust off.
 
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I did send him some logs but they only had the following perameters:
RPM
Load
B1 Lamda
Boost Pressure
Set Point boost Pressure


I think the fact that I wired the wastegate actuators shut and that made no difference eliminates these posibilities. The only thing I can think of is if the flapper on one of the turbos is broken but if it is it is not apperent since I looked at them the last time I had the exhaust off.

Log p/d factor of boost pressure. That's ur n75 %. Let's see what happens
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
Log p/d factor of boost pressure. That's ur n75 %. Let's see what happens

Awesome. I will do that and let ya know.
 


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