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i went back and read it after I posted it and was like....hmmmmmm what am I trying to say
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I don't agree at all that Ruf is trying to compete with Singer, and also find a number of other comments in this thread and others this past week to be misinformed.
Ruf has always been a misunderstood firm outside of Europe and Japan (where the majority of their clients reside), particularly here in the U.S. I think this is due to them never having had a proper, long term, wholly-owned (instead of franchised) dealership here; also to their work being lumped together in the "tuner" category with names like Gemballa, DP and TechArt over the years.
First, understand that Ruf has been in business since 1939 and working closely with Porsches since the 60's. Singer was founded in 2009! Ruf is first and foremost an engineering firm, whose work over the years (admittedly unconstrained by the large corporate structure Porsche has) is usually a few years ahead of Porsche itself. This is lost on U.S. enthusiasts because almost all of the Ruf product here is conversion work done by their various distributors. There are very few W09 vin (meaning a factory built car) cars here, and these ground-up builds are what the firm is really all about. Their engineering and performance vs. Singer isn't comparable - Singer is a design firm (and a fantastic one) that is just now beginning to add true engineering to their cars. I've owned more than a dozen W09's going back to the 80's, in addition to every important Porsche during this time and quite a few cars from other manufacturers costing multiples of what a Ruf does. For pure performance and driving experience, I've yet to be in a car that is as good an all-arounder, no exceptions.
I think if you delve into the details of their new offerings shown in Geneva, you'll learn that as always, it is first and foremost about the engineering and resulting performance. I won't argue that the fit and finish, especially with the interior, and some of the details, are superior in a Singer, but having just been in Pfaffenhausen, I can see that they're working hard to bring that up to par with the rest of their offering. In particular to where this thread began, the Turbo R Limited should be celebrated on this forum as the holiest of grails - a brand new (these seven cars are being built from shells/chassis/blocks that Ruf bought new from Porsche in 1998 and have been saving ever since) air-cooled car infused with techology that didn't exist 20 years ago.
I don't agree at all that Ruf is trying to compete with Singer, and also find a number of other comments in this thread and others this past week to be misinformed.
Ruf has always been a misunderstood firm outside of Europe and Japan (where the majority of their clients reside), particularly here in the U.S. I think this is due to them never having had a proper, long term, wholly-owned (instead of franchised) dealership here; also to their work being lumped together in the "tuner" category with names like Gemballa, DP and TechArt over the years.
First, understand that Ruf has been in business since 1939 and working closely with Porsches since the 60's. Singer was founded in 2009! Ruf is first and foremost an engineering firm, whose work over the years (admittedly unconstrained by the large corporate structure Porsche has) is usually a few years ahead of Porsche itself. This is lost on U.S. enthusiasts because almost all of the Ruf product here is conversion work done by their various distributors. There are very few W09 vin (meaning a factory built car) cars here, and these ground-up builds are what the firm is really all about. Their engineering and performance vs. Singer isn't comparable - Singer is a design firm (and a fantastic one) that is just now beginning to add true engineering to their cars. I've owned more than a dozen W09's going back to the 80's, in addition to every important Porsche during this time and quite a few cars from other manufacturers costing multiples of what a Ruf does. For pure performance and driving experience, I've yet to be in a car that is as good an all-arounder, no exceptions.
I think if you delve into the details of their new offerings shown in Geneva, you'll learn that as always, it is first and foremost about the engineering and resulting performance. I won't argue that the fit and finish, especially with the interior, and some of the details, are superior in a Singer, but having just been in Pfaffenhausen, I can see that they're working hard to bring that up to par with the rest of their offering. In particular to where this thread began, the Turbo R Limited should be celebrated on this forum as the holiest of grails - a brand new (these seven cars are being built from shells/chassis/blocks that Ruf bought new from Porsche in 1998 and have been saving ever since) air-cooled car infused with techology that didn't exist 20 years ago.
I agree to 100% with the last post: I do not see at all where Ruf is trying to compete with Singer. I was at the Geneva show last week and was on the Ruf stand. Nothing Singer-esque about it.
Singer did next to no development on the mechanicals on their own. Their motors are by Cosworth and if I recall correctly the suspension development was also farmed out. What they do exceedingly well is a refurbish/restyle of the 911. Ruf became famous for building the fastest car in the Road and Track supercar shootout in the '80s. They built the car from the ground up. Everything (motor, suspension, body) was done in house. Their styling was always Porsche with a new color or knickknack. Nothing exceptional. Singers restyling is exceptional.
Completely different style of company for a completely different style of customer. Poor title in the blog linked to above.
Singer did next to no development on the mechanicals on their own. Their motors are by Cosworth and if I recall correctly the suspension development was also farmed out. What they do exceedingly well is a refurbish/restyle of the 911. Ruf became famous for building the fastest car in the Road and Track supercar shootout in the '80s. They built the car from the ground up. Everything (motor, suspension, body) was done in house. Their styling was always Porsche with a new color or knickknack. Nothing exceptional. Singers restyling is exceptional.
Completely different style of company for a completely different style of customer. Poor title in the blog linked to above.
TECHNICALLY the gold wheels were a mistake. They were supplied with a color code for a mean looking matte dark bronze color. Something must have gotten mixed up somewhere and the gold wheels were photographed and sent. Panic set in, and with the timeline it wasn't clear what could be done.
I happened to be on a plane the following day to Pfaffenhausen so we sat on our hands for a day. On arriving the first thing I did was walk into the workshop to see the car. I immediately knew mistake or not, it was the right color on the car! Not something we would have chosen, but it works 100%. Especially considering the car was going to be front and center in the Geneva stand.
I happened to be on a plane the following day to Pfaffenhausen so we sat on our hands for a day. On arriving the first thing I did was walk into the workshop to see the car. I immediately knew mistake or not, it was the right color on the car! Not something we would have chosen, but it works 100%. Especially considering the car was going to be front and center in the Geneva stand.
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