Did I tell you about the Ford Focus that beat my time at the 'Ring? It was driven by a pro racer who was born there, but still!

"Monster" is overstated, you and a couple more here have since redefined that word.

Adam, HP Lieb certainly drives, his son has the same genes! If you can convince him to bring the RT12 to Dubai from Bahrain on April 6th, I promise a very interesting track sprint challenge day, Protomotive, RUF, and many other, you are all welcome before the Bahrain opening, it's on the way

 

Jean,
Is the Porsche driver Marc Lieb Hans Peter's son??
If so, that is amazing!!!
I rode around the new track at Porsche Leipzig in a Carrera GT with
Marc Lieb driving and that "kid" can drive like NO ONE I have ever seen!
Cool stuff.
BTW, Levino will be in Bahrain for the Ruf opening (and has spent alot of time
with HP), you guys need to hook up!
Sorry for the O.T. guys,
sincerely,

Marty K

 

Marty

Marc Lieb is a bit more than just fast Here are a few of the achievements of this Porsche werks driver:

LMES GT2 Champion
FIA GT2 Champion,
Winner 24h Le Mans GT2 class
Winner 24h Spa GT2 class

The one driving yesterday was HP Lieb, his father, who is RUF test driver, and is as fast as his son, only a bit older

The Italian and I are hooking up indeed.
Jean

 

For years I've run into this kinda stuff with idiots clearly NOT understanding what some are capable of.

Ignore the idiots and continue to impress the rest of us with your engineering feats!

Miike

 

The overall package of an RT12 is in a different stratosphere than some
of the cars we are assembling (including my own). We all have different
goals and our cars performance path is a reflection of that. I will say there
are "board peer pressures" also; as an example, I would have never thought
of drag racing my 996TT but I may do it once with the Viper club just to
shut them up a little bit (sophmoric maybe). Last year after a long hiatus
from the Local Porsche club, I went thru the driving school and tracked my
car on a very high speed track many times (300-500 miles of track driving:
2 sets of tires, pads), and it is the most fun I can have in my Porsche street
car!!! These cars are so capable in so many ways that it is astounding. Sorry for the rambling, it is so amazing the way these cars are able to take
a pounding and still be reasonable daily drivers.

MK

 

I know this of course - that the 'autobahn' is just a shorthand for something other than 1/4miles. I will quibble with an assertion that lasting 100k on the porsche maintenance schedule is some universal design input or goal. Someone may be happy with 50k and schedule maintenace at twice what porsche specifies... does such a design input disqualify the car as a "real porsche"???

I don't think I disqualified the entire continent's tuning philosophy in the least. Indeed, there is an entire spectrum of criteria that one may use to tune or build, and it seems that some (I'll leave out any nation by name) have a rather rigorous standard that is inflexible. It doesn't make their view 'correct' or 'incorrect'. (Of course if you ask them any tuning that results in a 'non-TUV complaint' vehicle is no longer a porsche....) My comment about one of the admins was their comments that were quite biased and not written in the spirit of bridging those philosophies that divide the members. Knowledge is one thing, running a board and moderating a thread is another. But then again my experience has been much less of a "european" vs "US" environment.

I'll step back to my usual lurking, having clearly 'stepped in it' with this...



A

 

how come we don't ***** that it costs $15 to 25 K to make a Euro ferrari legal to US specs? Does that mean EURo specs are less stringent? I do know that alot of Euro cars... including the CGT P car had major problems passing US safety rules... what's up with that? I heard that that's why they discontinued production.
doesn't make any sense to me. I wonder if companies liek RUF and 9FF, when they make the one offs have full TUV compliance... or are they excluded under some loophole.
markski

 

Ard,

You should post much more often, in my opinion.

Scott

 

+1

We arent always going to agree, how much fun is it when we all say "YES, i agree". As long as we all keep to out heads and be cool.

 

Thx. Still getting legs.

Adam

PS I try not to post what I wouldn't say to someone across a table sharing drinks... keeps the conversation more civil. It is an interesting way to think of forum communications I think.

 

I believe the US has more stringent crash testing regulations in most caes. In some cases, it's also smog related.

 

+1 for me too. Most regulars are more than likeable enough.

 

Ard, far from being my intention!

We are all open minded people, looking forward to read more from you.

 

Mark, you also can pay a bunch when you take a US car to Europe. It just has to do with local regulations, something like a tail light of colour of a light bulb can become a nightmare, I deal with this a lot since I am quite "international" with my cars

Some of the Europeans tuner cars are not TUV legal as well for sure. The TUV is however more stringewnt when it comes to testing advertised results and how they are measured, other than the smog, emissions, reliability aspects of it alone.

Not really a point that has much merit or worth debating to be honest, if you can pass your local country's inspection, that's the only thing that matters IMO.

 

The yellow 996tt in Bahrain is Turbo's' .. Apparently the engine was recently retuned for 900hp. Either way, IMO, the quartermile/lap score was very dismal for that car.



Which track did you guys lap? I am a big fan of the club circuit (with a N/A car). Have to wait until the fall to go back to Bahrain though .. weather is going to start getting much hotter soon.