Veryon tested by Road and Track whose tt will beat it?
I never had a viper I can't speak.. but my business partner did and my best friend... both very very experienced drivers... having a bunch of high end exotics and used to running from the Police LOL...
... one of them crashed downshifting into 2nd while trying to get around a slow moving truck... (sunny and dry)... and the other(I was behind him) downshifted as well to get thru into the left lane and ended up inside Taco bell... no joke... and this guy is by far one of the best drivers I have seen in a street car...
The third ocurrance was a red with white stripes Viper that was on Ontario ramp and left just in front of me from the lights....,.. its a slope with a slight turn.. somewhat dangerous if ur going all out... well he hit the wall head on...
markski
... one of them crashed downshifting into 2nd while trying to get around a slow moving truck... (sunny and dry)... and the other(I was behind him) downshifted as well to get thru into the left lane and ended up inside Taco bell... no joke... and this guy is by far one of the best drivers I have seen in a street car...
The third ocurrance was a red with white stripes Viper that was on Ontario ramp and left just in front of me from the lights....,.. its a slope with a slight turn.. somewhat dangerous if ur going all out... well he hit the wall head on...
markski
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
I never had a viper I can't speak.. but my business partner did and my best friend... both very very experienced drivers... having a bunch of high end exotics and used to running from the Police LOL...
... one of them crashed downshifting into 2nd while trying to get around a slow moving truck... (sunny and dry)... and the other(I was behind him) downshifted as well to get thru into the left lane and ended up inside Taco bell... no joke... and this guy is by far one of the best drivers I have seen in a street car...
The third ocurrance was a red with white stripes Viper that was on Ontario ramp and left just in front of me from the lights....,.. its a slope with a slight turn.. somewhat dangerous if ur going all out... well he hit the wall head on...
markski
... one of them crashed downshifting into 2nd while trying to get around a slow moving truck... (sunny and dry)... and the other(I was behind him) downshifted as well to get thru into the left lane and ended up inside Taco bell... no joke... and this guy is by far one of the best drivers I have seen in a street car...
The third ocurrance was a red with white stripes Viper that was on Ontario ramp and left just in front of me from the lights....,.. its a slope with a slight turn.. somewhat dangerous if ur going all out... well he hit the wall head on...
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
Very interesting to say the least. I was offered a TT Viper (the yellow bumble bee) from the original owner here in NY, who i later found out was a 6speed member and talked to on here, but i passed! I just felt it was undriveable and wouldnt be useable for my type of driving.
I mean they look great and are FASSSSSTTTT but its really a straight line fast car at that point, unless dialing boost all the way down right? I mean how many TT viper guys actually track their cars road course wise?
Its all relative though, i guess they serve their purposes viper being a dragstrip/highway MONSTER and if people wanted a real roadcourse car they would buy one i guess. I just love the versatility of doing both
I mean they look great and are FASSSSSTTTT but its really a straight line fast car at that point, unless dialing boost all the way down right? I mean how many TT viper guys actually track their cars road course wise?
Its all relative though, i guess they serve their purposes viper being a dragstrip/highway MONSTER and if people wanted a real roadcourse car they would buy one i guess. I just love the versatility of doing both
There is no reason you can't road course one, just dial the boost back in lower gears (you can do that) and give it a very tame slip % on the tunable traction control. It's very easy to have 2 separate tuning setups in the pcm and change them with the flip of a toggle switch. Go from a mild 750rwhp low boost road course setup, flip the switch and send it into 1200rwhp turbo busa destroying highway monster. The tuning possabilities are endless with a laptop in hand and a little practice.
Even in the best setup and what I consider relatively "tame", it is still making an easy 1200rwhp and can't be taken lightly. Definitely NOT recommended for anyone who hasn't spent a lot of time in some seriously fast, nasty, violent cars. There is a reason you see so many TT Vipers come up for sale very quickly after being built. Guys with deep pockets think the 450rwhp car is getting a little dull, want to spice it up a bit, and figure 1200rw sounds big and manly and they want to swing their dicks around. Till they get taken for a ride at delivery, at which time they would chit themselves if they hadn't already passed out. Most people physically can't process in their heads what is going on fast enough to even remotely handle a car like that.
I can't tell you how many grown men have gone for rides and at half throttle in 3rd gear, getting a little wheel spin around 120mph, are screaming like little girls with a tarantula on their face. At that point you're just cleaning up the tires a bit getting ready to really lay into it, the fun hasn't even started yet.
It's a pretty easy decision to make. Go for a ride in one with someone who can drive. You'll either come out white as a ghost, shaking like a diabetic whos been living on red bull and jelly beans for a week, about ready to puke from fear... or you'll have to have one. One thing is for sure, it will forever ruin your perception of what is truly fast. Get in a GT800 GT2 and you'll be calling in a lunch order for chinese takeout while the driver is powershifting 2-3. Speed is a slippery (and expensive) slope, to the point where most guys with really fast cars daily drive something lame. Cause there isn't a point to trying to hotrod around town with 500hp when it doesn't even remotely give you a thrill.
Markski- Do I know either of those guys? They in/around chi-town? I know evading is not out of the ordinary out there, especially with the TT viper guys *cough* Blue/White with enzo*
* on the plate *cough*... but haven't heard of any head on wrecks recently.
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how come when someone with a nice new Evo or Impreza pulls up beside a Civic at the lights, the Civic (or Neon, or Golf, or...) driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a Honda with a turbo the size of God slapped on a B16 Type-R engine, and the Evo/Impreza wouldn't know what hit him?
and when someone with a nice new GT2 or Fezza pulls up beside an Evo or Impreza at the lights, the Evo driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a Subarubishi with a turbo the size of God slapped on a 4G63T/EJ20 engine, and the GT2/F430 wouldn't know what hit him...
and when someone with a nice new Veyron pulls up beside a Porsche or Viper at the lights, the Porsche driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a GT2 with turbos the size of God slapped on a built 3.8 liter motor, and the Veyron wouldn't know what hit him?
is it just me, or is there a pattern here?
there's always going to be someone bigger, someone faster, someone more powerful, someone that handles better...
MAJOR PROPS to all the pioneers on here who have pushed the envelope for Porsches way beyond even the guys at Zuffenhausen could have imagined at the time the cars were launched. They lead the way... the rest of us watch in awe and learn. Some maybe even follow in their trailblazing footsteps.
But if the Veyron's existence in no way takes away from their achievements or their cars, IMHO, I think it is similarly unfair and narrow minded to denigrate the big fast bug because it has "only" 1000HP, can't do better than 10.2 in the 1/4, and costs silly money.
VRAlex, Markski, Jean, Divexxtreme and many others who've led the way for the rest of us, set out to build cars that conformed to their vision of the perfect car for them. By all accounts, it looks like they've attained their goals, and created in the process some truly awesome street cars.
The guys at VW had their own goals. They wanted to make an automotive statement to the industry, by building a car from the ground up, that would simultaneously blitz the performance of every single stock car to-date, and probably 99% of tuned street cars out there. All the while maintaining levels of luxury, reliability, prestige and real-world usability (the thing runs on pump gas doesn't it?,) that simply eclipse everything that has come before.
Look at it another way... if you gave the Bugatti development team the target of building the fastest quarter mile or 60-130 missle possible, allowing the use of C16, and relaxing any restrictions about CA emissions compliance, and removing luxury amenities... I wonder what they would have been able to come up with?
Finally remember that in a recent EVO magazine road test, the Bug simply flat-out left both the Enzo and the Carrera GT for dead... not on a highway or dragstrip, but on twisty mountain roads.
Sure it costs silly money, and it may not be to everyone's taste (personally, i'd have a McLaren F1 over a Bug every single time,) but c'mon... it is an amazing achievement.
My $0.02...
and when someone with a nice new GT2 or Fezza pulls up beside an Evo or Impreza at the lights, the Evo driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a Subarubishi with a turbo the size of God slapped on a 4G63T/EJ20 engine, and the GT2/F430 wouldn't know what hit him...
and when someone with a nice new Veyron pulls up beside a Porsche or Viper at the lights, the Porsche driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a GT2 with turbos the size of God slapped on a built 3.8 liter motor, and the Veyron wouldn't know what hit him?
is it just me, or is there a pattern here?
there's always going to be someone bigger, someone faster, someone more powerful, someone that handles better...
MAJOR PROPS to all the pioneers on here who have pushed the envelope for Porsches way beyond even the guys at Zuffenhausen could have imagined at the time the cars were launched. They lead the way... the rest of us watch in awe and learn. Some maybe even follow in their trailblazing footsteps.
But if the Veyron's existence in no way takes away from their achievements or their cars, IMHO, I think it is similarly unfair and narrow minded to denigrate the big fast bug because it has "only" 1000HP, can't do better than 10.2 in the 1/4, and costs silly money.
VRAlex, Markski, Jean, Divexxtreme and many others who've led the way for the rest of us, set out to build cars that conformed to their vision of the perfect car for them. By all accounts, it looks like they've attained their goals, and created in the process some truly awesome street cars.
The guys at VW had their own goals. They wanted to make an automotive statement to the industry, by building a car from the ground up, that would simultaneously blitz the performance of every single stock car to-date, and probably 99% of tuned street cars out there. All the while maintaining levels of luxury, reliability, prestige and real-world usability (the thing runs on pump gas doesn't it?,) that simply eclipse everything that has come before.
Look at it another way... if you gave the Bugatti development team the target of building the fastest quarter mile or 60-130 missle possible, allowing the use of C16, and relaxing any restrictions about CA emissions compliance, and removing luxury amenities... I wonder what they would have been able to come up with?
Finally remember that in a recent EVO magazine road test, the Bug simply flat-out left both the Enzo and the Carrera GT for dead... not on a highway or dragstrip, but on twisty mountain roads.
Sure it costs silly money, and it may not be to everyone's taste (personally, i'd have a McLaren F1 over a Bug every single time,) but c'mon... it is an amazing achievement.
My $0.02...
Originally Posted by Vicious
Whos Bumble bee TT? Twin Vipers old car?
There is no reason you can't road course one, just dial the boost back in lower gears (you can do that) and give it a very tame slip % on the tunable traction control. It's very easy to have 2 separate tuning setups in the pcm and change them with the flip of a toggle switch. Go from a mild 750rwhp low boost road course setup, flip the switch and send it into 1200rwhp turbo busa destroying highway monster. The tuning possabilities are endless with a laptop in hand and a little practice.
Even in the best setup and what I consider relatively "tame", it is still making an easy 1200rwhp and can't be taken lightly. Definitely NOT recommended for anyone who hasn't spent a lot of time in some seriously fast, nasty, violent cars. There is a reason you see so many TT Vipers come up for sale very quickly after being built. Guys with deep pockets think the 450rwhp car is getting a little dull, want to spice it up a bit, and figure 1200rw sounds big and manly and they want to swing their dicks around. Till they get taken for a ride at delivery, at which time they would chit themselves if they hadn't already passed out. Most people physically can't process in their heads what is going on fast enough to even remotely handle a car like that.
I can't tell you how many grown men have gone for rides and at half throttle in 3rd gear, getting a little wheel spin around 120mph, are screaming like little girls with a tarantula on their face. At that point you're just cleaning up the tires a bit getting ready to really lay into it, the fun hasn't even started yet.
It's a pretty easy decision to make. Go for a ride in one with someone who can drive. You'll either come out white as a ghost, shaking like a diabetic whos been living on red bull and jelly beans for a week, about ready to puke from fear... or you'll have to have one. One thing is for sure, it will forever ruin your perception of what is truly fast. Get in a GT800 GT2 and you'll be calling in a lunch order for chinese takeout while the driver is powershifting 2-3. Speed is a slippery (and expensive) slope, to the point where most guys with really fast cars daily drive something lame. Cause there isn't a point to trying to hotrod around town with 500hp when it doesn't even remotely give you a thrill.
Markski- Do I know either of those guys? They in/around chi-town? I know evading is not out of the ordinary out there, especially with the TT viper guys *cough* Blue/White with enzo** on the plate *cough*... but haven't heard of any head on wrecks recently.
There is no reason you can't road course one, just dial the boost back in lower gears (you can do that) and give it a very tame slip % on the tunable traction control. It's very easy to have 2 separate tuning setups in the pcm and change them with the flip of a toggle switch. Go from a mild 750rwhp low boost road course setup, flip the switch and send it into 1200rwhp turbo busa destroying highway monster. The tuning possabilities are endless with a laptop in hand and a little practice.
Even in the best setup and what I consider relatively "tame", it is still making an easy 1200rwhp and can't be taken lightly. Definitely NOT recommended for anyone who hasn't spent a lot of time in some seriously fast, nasty, violent cars. There is a reason you see so many TT Vipers come up for sale very quickly after being built. Guys with deep pockets think the 450rwhp car is getting a little dull, want to spice it up a bit, and figure 1200rw sounds big and manly and they want to swing their dicks around. Till they get taken for a ride at delivery, at which time they would chit themselves if they hadn't already passed out. Most people physically can't process in their heads what is going on fast enough to even remotely handle a car like that.
I can't tell you how many grown men have gone for rides and at half throttle in 3rd gear, getting a little wheel spin around 120mph, are screaming like little girls with a tarantula on their face. At that point you're just cleaning up the tires a bit getting ready to really lay into it, the fun hasn't even started yet.
It's a pretty easy decision to make. Go for a ride in one with someone who can drive. You'll either come out white as a ghost, shaking like a diabetic whos been living on red bull and jelly beans for a week, about ready to puke from fear... or you'll have to have one. One thing is for sure, it will forever ruin your perception of what is truly fast. Get in a GT800 GT2 and you'll be calling in a lunch order for chinese takeout while the driver is powershifting 2-3. Speed is a slippery (and expensive) slope, to the point where most guys with really fast cars daily drive something lame. Cause there isn't a point to trying to hotrod around town with 500hp when it doesn't even remotely give you a thrill.
Markski- Do I know either of those guys? They in/around chi-town? I know evading is not out of the ordinary out there, especially with the TT viper guys *cough* Blue/White with enzo*
* on the plate *cough*... but haven't heard of any head on wrecks recently. yea Twin Vipers old car!!Anyway man, i definitely need a ride in a TT viper, ive been ins everal bolt on and sc'd cars, they didnt thrill me one bit and my turbo was faster then them!
TT'd is a whole diff ballgame indeed. I would probably be in my glory, i LOVE scary fast cars hah, why i had to have a GT2, and not stock either to continue a thrill
Anyway i did a Viper/Aston Martin track day and they did failry well, driver is key (many were spinning out on the corners sc'd and stock) but my friend Steve Katz who is a professional driver took me in his GTS ACR Viper with nothing but Toyo RA1's, the car BLEW MY MIND , i had no idea what the car was capable of in the hands of a amazing/professional driver, this was at Limerock! Definitely had my respect
Originally Posted by hesperus
how come when someone with a nice new Evo or Impreza pulls up beside a Civic at the lights, the Civic (or Neon, or Golf, or...) driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a Honda with a turbo the size of God slapped on a B16 Type-R engine, and the Evo/Impreza wouldn't know what hit him?
and when someone with a nice new GT2 or Fezza pulls up beside an Evo or Impreza at the lights, the Evo driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a Subarubishi with a turbo the size of God slapped on a 4G63T/EJ20 engine, and the GT2/F430 wouldn't know what hit him...
and when someone with a nice new Veyron pulls up beside a Porsche or Viper at the lights, the Porsche driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a GT2 with turbos the size of God slapped on a built 3.8 liter motor, and the Veyron wouldn't know what hit him?
is it just me, or is there a pattern here?
there's always going to be someone bigger, someone faster, someone more powerful, someone that handles better...
MAJOR PROPS to all the pioneers on here who have pushed the envelope for Porsches way beyond even the guys at Zuffenhausen could have imagined at the time the cars were launched. They lead the way... the rest of us watch in awe and learn. Some maybe even follow in their trailblazing footsteps.
But if the Veyron's existence in no way takes away from their achievements or their cars, IMHO, I think it is similarly unfair and narrow minded to denigrate the big fast bug because it has "only" 1000HP, can't do better than 10.2 in the 1/4, and costs silly money.
VRAlex, Markski, Jean, Divexxtreme and many others who've led the way for the rest of us, set out to build cars that conformed to their vision of the perfect car for them. By all accounts, it looks like they've attained their goals, and created in the process some truly awesome street cars.
The guys at VW had their own goals. They wanted to make an automotive statement to the industry, by building a car from the ground up, that would simultaneously blitz the performance of every single stock car to-date, and probably 99% of tuned street cars out there. All the while maintaining levels of luxury, reliability, prestige and real-world usability (the thing runs on pump gas doesn't it?,) that simply eclipse everything that has come before.
Look at it another way... if you gave the Bugatti development team the target of building the fastest quarter mile or 60-130 missle possible, allowing the use of C16, and relaxing any restrictions about CA emissions compliance, and removing luxury amenities... I wonder what they would have been able to come up with?
Finally remember that in a recent EVO magazine road test, the Bug simply flat-out left both the Enzo and the Carrera GT for dead... not on a highway or dragstrip, but on twisty mountain roads.
Sure it costs silly money, and it may not be to everyone's taste (personally, i'd have a McLaren F1 over a Bug every single time,) but c'mon... it is an amazing achievement.
My $0.02...
and when someone with a nice new GT2 or Fezza pulls up beside an Evo or Impreza at the lights, the Evo driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a Subarubishi with a turbo the size of God slapped on a 4G63T/EJ20 engine, and the GT2/F430 wouldn't know what hit him...
and when someone with a nice new Veyron pulls up beside a Porsche or Viper at the lights, the Porsche driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a GT2 with turbos the size of God slapped on a built 3.8 liter motor, and the Veyron wouldn't know what hit him?
is it just me, or is there a pattern here?
there's always going to be someone bigger, someone faster, someone more powerful, someone that handles better...
MAJOR PROPS to all the pioneers on here who have pushed the envelope for Porsches way beyond even the guys at Zuffenhausen could have imagined at the time the cars were launched. They lead the way... the rest of us watch in awe and learn. Some maybe even follow in their trailblazing footsteps.
But if the Veyron's existence in no way takes away from their achievements or their cars, IMHO, I think it is similarly unfair and narrow minded to denigrate the big fast bug because it has "only" 1000HP, can't do better than 10.2 in the 1/4, and costs silly money.
VRAlex, Markski, Jean, Divexxtreme and many others who've led the way for the rest of us, set out to build cars that conformed to their vision of the perfect car for them. By all accounts, it looks like they've attained their goals, and created in the process some truly awesome street cars.
The guys at VW had their own goals. They wanted to make an automotive statement to the industry, by building a car from the ground up, that would simultaneously blitz the performance of every single stock car to-date, and probably 99% of tuned street cars out there. All the while maintaining levels of luxury, reliability, prestige and real-world usability (the thing runs on pump gas doesn't it?,) that simply eclipse everything that has come before.
Look at it another way... if you gave the Bugatti development team the target of building the fastest quarter mile or 60-130 missle possible, allowing the use of C16, and relaxing any restrictions about CA emissions compliance, and removing luxury amenities... I wonder what they would have been able to come up with?
Finally remember that in a recent EVO magazine road test, the Bug simply flat-out left both the Enzo and the Carrera GT for dead... not on a highway or dragstrip, but on twisty mountain roads.
Sure it costs silly money, and it may not be to everyone's taste (personally, i'd have a McLaren F1 over a Bug every single time,) but c'mon... it is an amazing achievement.
My $0.02...
Originally Posted by iLLM3
Anyway man, i definitely need a ride in a TT viper, ive been ins everal bolt on and sc'd cars, they didnt thrill me one bit and my turbo was faster then them!
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Originally Posted by dgussin1
The last time Vicious was in chitown we went for a ride in a twin turbo gen 2 viper on low boost (8psi IIRC), making somewhere around 800rwhp. It was insane how quickly you pick up speed. The overall feeling was that the car was fast, but it wasn't violent, very smooth and refined feeling. We went from 90-170 on a 2 lane country road in about 6-7 seconds. The way it picked up speed was incredible.
How smooth? Well the owners WIFE drives it more than he does, and she absolutely loves it. Not too many cars that make 800rwhp can be tame enough to let your wife drive, yet will cruise @ 200 in 6th gear turning 4k rpm, bust off a mid 140mph 1/4, and leave a 1L sport bike going
It looks prety gangster too
Gussin... you got the stang for sale yet? I know of a red 01' GTS for sale in Cali
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Originally Posted by hesperus
Finally remember that in a recent EVO magazine road test, the Bug simply flat-out left both the Enzo and the Carrera GT for dead... not on a highway or dragstrip, but on twisty mountain roads.
Originally Posted by nicolasmora
Last night while driving on I-95 (Miami) suddenly the traffic got really slow, which for sunday night is kind of odd.
When I finally got to the reason of the traffic slowing down...there it was....a Veyron driving at a very moderate 60 mph. Couldnt hear the engine and almost crashed into another car while reaching for my camera in the back seat.
The only picture I could take came out like crap... so that is my great story...
kind of pointless right?
Im just happy i got to see one in person
When I finally got to the reason of the traffic slowing down...there it was....a Veyron driving at a very moderate 60 mph. Couldnt hear the engine and almost crashed into another car while reaching for my camera in the back seat.
The only picture I could take came out like crap... so that is my great story...
kind of pointless right?
Im just happy i got to see one in person
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Originally Posted by hesperus
how come when someone with a nice new Evo or Impreza pulls up beside a Civic at the lights, the Civic (or Neon, or Golf, or...) driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a Honda with a turbo the size of God slapped on a B16 Type-R engine, and the Evo/Impreza wouldn't know what hit him?
and when someone with a nice new GT2 or Fezza pulls up beside an Evo or Impreza at the lights, the Evo driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a Subarubishi with a turbo the size of God slapped on a 4G63T/EJ20 engine, and the GT2/F430 wouldn't know what hit him...
and when someone with a nice new Veyron pulls up beside a Porsche or Viper at the lights, the Porsche driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a GT2 with turbos the size of God slapped on a built 3.8 liter motor, and the Veyron wouldn't know what hit him?
is it just me, or is there a pattern here?
there's always going to be someone bigger, someone faster, someone more powerful, someone that handles better...
MAJOR PROPS to all the pioneers on here who have pushed the envelope for Porsches way beyond even the guys at Zuffenhausen could have imagined at the time the cars were launched. They lead the way... the rest of us watch in awe and learn. Some maybe even follow in their trailblazing footsteps.
But if the Veyron's existence in no way takes away from their achievements or their cars, IMHO, I think it is similarly unfair and narrow minded to denigrate the big fast bug because it has "only" 1000HP, can't do better than 10.2 in the 1/4, and costs silly money.
VRAlex, Markski, Jean, Divexxtreme and many others who've led the way for the rest of us, set out to build cars that conformed to their vision of the perfect car for them. By all accounts, it looks like they've attained their goals, and created in the process some truly awesome street cars.
The guys at VW had their own goals. They wanted to make an automotive statement to the industry, by building a car from the ground up, that would simultaneously blitz the performance of every single stock car to-date, and probably 99% of tuned street cars out there. All the while maintaining levels of luxury, reliability, prestige and real-world usability (the thing runs on pump gas doesn't it?,) that simply eclipse everything that has come before.
Look at it another way... if you gave the Bugatti development team the target of building the fastest quarter mile or 60-130 missle possible, allowing the use of C16, and relaxing any restrictions about CA emissions compliance, and removing luxury amenities... I wonder what they would have been able to come up with?
Finally remember that in a recent EVO magazine road test, the Bug simply flat-out left both the Enzo and the Carrera GT for dead... not on a highway or dragstrip, but on twisty mountain roads.
Sure it costs silly money, and it may not be to everyone's taste (personally, i'd have a McLaren F1 over a Bug every single time,) but c'mon... it is an amazing achievement.
My $0.02...
and when someone with a nice new GT2 or Fezza pulls up beside an Evo or Impreza at the lights, the Evo driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a Subarubishi with a turbo the size of God slapped on a 4G63T/EJ20 engine, and the GT2/F430 wouldn't know what hit him...
and when someone with a nice new Veyron pulls up beside a Porsche or Viper at the lights, the Porsche driver is quick to point out that his buddy owns a GT2 with turbos the size of God slapped on a built 3.8 liter motor, and the Veyron wouldn't know what hit him?
is it just me, or is there a pattern here?
there's always going to be someone bigger, someone faster, someone more powerful, someone that handles better...
MAJOR PROPS to all the pioneers on here who have pushed the envelope for Porsches way beyond even the guys at Zuffenhausen could have imagined at the time the cars were launched. They lead the way... the rest of us watch in awe and learn. Some maybe even follow in their trailblazing footsteps.
But if the Veyron's existence in no way takes away from their achievements or their cars, IMHO, I think it is similarly unfair and narrow minded to denigrate the big fast bug because it has "only" 1000HP, can't do better than 10.2 in the 1/4, and costs silly money.
VRAlex, Markski, Jean, Divexxtreme and many others who've led the way for the rest of us, set out to build cars that conformed to their vision of the perfect car for them. By all accounts, it looks like they've attained their goals, and created in the process some truly awesome street cars.
The guys at VW had their own goals. They wanted to make an automotive statement to the industry, by building a car from the ground up, that would simultaneously blitz the performance of every single stock car to-date, and probably 99% of tuned street cars out there. All the while maintaining levels of luxury, reliability, prestige and real-world usability (the thing runs on pump gas doesn't it?,) that simply eclipse everything that has come before.
Look at it another way... if you gave the Bugatti development team the target of building the fastest quarter mile or 60-130 missle possible, allowing the use of C16, and relaxing any restrictions about CA emissions compliance, and removing luxury amenities... I wonder what they would have been able to come up with?
Finally remember that in a recent EVO magazine road test, the Bug simply flat-out left both the Enzo and the Carrera GT for dead... not on a highway or dragstrip, but on twisty mountain roads.
Sure it costs silly money, and it may not be to everyone's taste (personally, i'd have a McLaren F1 over a Bug every single time,) but c'mon... it is an amazing achievement.
My $0.02...
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Originally Posted by Vicious
There are many many tuner cars for 1/10 the price that will fist fck that thing from a 100 roll.
Originally Posted by Vicious
Give me $100grr and I'll have a pump gas viper on drag radils that will easily clip a deep 9 @ 160ish and have the Veyron owner suicidial when it puts city blocks on him out on the highway. I would be willing to bet Alex or Mark's 996's would give that thing a ghetto *** whoopin . But likely would need some better gogo juice to make it happen.
Originally Posted by Vicious
Oh it's damn impressive especially when you know what type of double gainers they have to do through flaming hoops over shark tanks to get the thing through emissions. And yes for a luxo sled it moves pretty damn well.
Originally Posted by Vicious
It's dialed to the ****, but for $1.5mm it's to be expected.
Originally Posted by Vicious
I want to go 8's in a car that doesn't even have cupholders and pretty much wants to kill you every chance it gets. Keeps things from getting boring.
Originally Posted by Vicious
40mph difference in the 1/4 is DECADES on the highway.
Originally Posted by Vicious
But to say it would outrun a well built TT Viper on the highway is down right spit water on your monitor, **** your boxers, side splitting funny. Thats my only criticism of the whole shebang.
Originally Posted by Vicious
Guys with deep pockets think the 450rwhp car is getting a little dull, want to spice it up a bit, and figure 1200rw sounds big and manly and they want to swing their dicks around. Till they get taken for a ride at delivery, at which time they would chit themselves if they hadn't already passed out.
Originally Posted by Vicious
I can't tell you how many grown men have gone for rides and at half throttle in 3rd gear, getting a little wheel spin around 120mph, are screaming like little girls with a tarantula on their face.
Originally Posted by Vicious
You'll either come out white as a ghost, shaking like a diabetic whos been living on red bull and jelly beans for a week, about ready to puke from fear... or you'll have to have one. One thing is for sure, it will forever ruin your perception of what is truly fast. Get in a GT800 GT2 and you'll be calling in a lunch order for chinese takeout while the driver is powershifting 2-3. Speed is a slippery (and expensive) slope, to the point where most guys with really fast cars daily drive something lame. Cause there isn't a point to trying to hotrod around town with 500hp when it doesn't even remotely give you a thrill.
Vicious - I may not agree with everything you post...but I have to say, your posts are funnier than anyone else's in this section of the forum. I think you're a riot, and I mean that sincerely.
Last edited by Divexxtreme; Jan 31, 2007 at 03:47 AM.
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Vicious - I may not agree with everything you post...but I have to say, your posts are funnier than anyone else's in this section of the forum. I think you're a riot, and I mean that sincerely.
Makes me lust for a drive in a TT Viper, with an experienced driver behind the wheel please, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Vicious
It's a pretty easy decision to make. Go for a ride in one with someone who can drive. You'll either come out white as a ghost, shaking like a diabetic whos been living on red bull and jelly beans for a week, about ready to puke from fear... or you'll have to have one.
Oh, and great post Hesperus. Rep for you!