A local BMW shop swears by Moton coilovers, claim they are far superior to PSS-9. Anyone have any experince with Moton Coilovers? They set up Porsche track cars with Moton Coilovers

 

Would like to know as well, moton is the most expensive option isn't it? (other than some crazy custom stuff)

 

I believe the people who make Moton were part of the same group that made JRZ at one time. I understand both are very good. You can't even begin to compare either of these to the PSS9's. The PSS9's are not even in the same league.

 

Chad,

The guy who started JRZ used to work at Moton, he branched off on his own, or at least that is what I heard.

Anyway, is the Moton Setup that far superior? How is it for a daily driver on sometimes **** roads? Do you think they work well for my situation? Not trying to flame anyone, but, that BMW tuner basically said Billstein shocks are terrible and the Moton, as you said also is not even in the same league. Far superior, used by Porsche, BMW, and some other race teams. He said even for street use it is far supeior. The price he qouted me was $2900, list price was like $3200.

Lou

 

Roock used to use Moton coil-overs on its 650 HP RWD Turbo conversion. They are high end, but you probably should drive a Moton equipped car first, to see how you like the ride.

 

Lou,

JRZ was the first. Actually, The three owners of JRZ split, one kept JRZ the other two formed Moton and Proton.

I also may be giving some mis information. The JRZ that I am using are the three way adjustable with the remote cylinders. I do not know how the standard, single cylinder JRZ, Moton compare to the PSS9 or any other.

 

I think you should ride in, and better yet, try to drive a few cars with PSS9s and whatever else you're considering. I'm no pro race car driver but I think the PSS9s would be fine for you unless you track the car regularly. Do you drive 10/10s or anywhere close on the street, on a regular basis? I hope not! Of course if you want to spend more $$$ there are other options ...

 

Correct info.......JRZ was one company back then, Jerome van Gool left and started it Moton suspension and the other guy was Protrac! Now Protrac and JRZ are back together as Protrac/JRZ! Back to the topic, Moton is more for track use than street, they offered 7 way rebound and compression adjustment on their ClubSport line! Keep in mind they don't comes with springs, you might have to get either 2.5" or 60mmID springs (from 200lbs-1000lbs+ spring rate) from H&R or Eibach. I've seen many club racers running Moton clubsport and some of the expert claim with their Moton are 5-7 sec faster than any other suspension on the track with correct tuning and adjustment!

 

Yes, I have them on my '02 996TT. I just had the car at Mid-Ohio for a PCA DE etc. The shocks/springs were excellent.

I can't compare them to any other 996 shock/spring setup other than what comes from the factory. I can tell you my spring rates are a lot closer to the 1000 side than the 200.

Driving the car at the limit through madness I noticed the car tranferring weight(wallowing) to slow so we added nitrogen to around the 200psi level and that seemed to be the trick. We also played with the compression and rebound, not sure where we ended up.

My conclusion is the that once you get the sping rates, compression/rebound and nitrogen level to your liking, you'll be in heaven.

I have no affiliation with Moton, Jrz, or anyone else.

Rick

 

Found this, not sure what it all means though_--------------

the highest performance suspension available: The key success of the Moton suspension is an exceptionally large outer piston diameter of 22mm and high capacity dampening fluid under high pressure charge. This allows the suspension to react to very minute suspension compression motion with a high amount of fluid displacement. The large amount of displaced fluid under heavy pressure charge allows the suspension to react with such a force that the high spring rates used in other suspensions are not needed.

The tremendous volume and pressure is achieved by high tolerances in the suspension design and construction as well as high quality valves and seals that are proprietary to Moton suspension design.

The Moton suspension uses a very light weight aluminum body and chromoly piston construction resulting in minimal un-sprung weight.

Although the suspension is designed for professional race-team use, the unique dampening ability of the suspension results in a very supple ride. Due to the dampers ability to run relatively softer springs for rebound, the ride is very smooth, which makes the suspension ideal for rough track surfaces, or even street use. This results in excellent chassis balance and traction even on rough street and track surfaces.

 

^ You are correct but honestly, unless you're planning on tracking, you cannot and will not fully appreciate the Motons or JRZs.

 

Well, guess tracking is the only solution then

 

I have had the stock suspension, the Techart suspension and the JRZ Triple Adjustable suspension, I really noticed the difference. The JRZ's are great for the street and if you know how to adjust them, they can be unbelievable for the track and autocross. It you can afford them, then go for them. I would make this change before I spent much money on the motor. By that I mean, ECU and exhaust, then the suspension.

The down side of the JRZ's is the cost of yearly maintaince.

 

I heard they were great on the street as you said and even better on the track. Thanks for the verification Chad and everyone else/.

Gilhart Racing-- How is the car on regular streets?

 

LSM,

My car is set up way too stiff for the street. I have had monoballs installed in the front and rear as well as having the car lowered substantially. The last addition has been GT3R lower control arms. I now have the car set with a lot of negative camber. Too much for the street with those high spring rates.

I would suggest a lower spring rate front and rear if you plan on mostly street driving. Then you can add some nitrogen and adjust compression and rebound for the track.

I am making this car into a full out race car as I just gutted the interior and am getting ready to have a cage installed. So this car will probably never see much street driving.

Rick