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Old 07-04-2012, 08:02 PM
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the mystery of no fuel no spark still going

bought a durametrics, to leaned that there is no code ,, wow thats 300$ well spent !! done with the venting , i did learn a few things with it

i can activate the fuel pump and it work
i tested the immobilizer by taking the pill of the key and trying to start ( nothing at all), then put it back in and it turns over ( and gave me an error code) but still no fuel no spark

crank angle sensor was replaced , no difference

i tried to see direct reading from the engine for 2 parameter, RPM and % ign and when the durametric is activated for the engine, it wont turn over!!!! have you seen this

the other thing i have noticed is that the ign% stays at 78 degrees no matter what

i have read the voltage of the wires of the cas and i get 5V between the brown and red/ violet
12V between the brown and the red green
and 7.4V between the 2 reds,, has anyone ever did that test

any help with this mystery would be greatly apreciated
 
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Old 07-05-2012, 04:21 AM
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What was the problem to begin with??? Did you swap engines, rebuild it, or did it just stop working one day? Need the whole history...
 
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Old 07-05-2012, 06:10 AM
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bought the car as a project , engine had blown big end bearing but was apparently still running , but when i got it , the engine and tranny were out of the car and upon tear down , the big end was f....

its now fully rebuilt , upon installing it , i figured , lets try to see if it will at least fire for a second before i put the rest of the stuff( headers, muffler, bumper etc) back in

but no fuel ( the lines are disconnected at that point) then checked for spark , nothing, then the message up top

i keep thinking it has to do with the crank angle sensor but i am not sure ,
the one thing i notice , the previous owner has a used flywheel( yellow paint mark) could they have gotten a wrong one that would fit the engine ,, can a 986 or 993 flywheel fit but have the teeth too far or not in the same sequence ( will take it out tonight and see the number on it

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Old 07-05-2012, 06:38 AM
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Speaking from being a Porsche/VW/Audi Technician for over 7 years, you need to start verifying issues. You say you have no fuel, so first take a DVOM and goto the fuel pump and see if your getting Voltage (is the fuel pump kicking but no fuel?) Once you verify your fuel pump is receiving 12V+ then you ruled that out. Also check for voltage at the Coil Packs or pull one out with a spark plug, ground it out and visually check for spark.

Once you verify Fuel and Ignition then we know the direction of what else to check.
 
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Old 07-05-2012, 03:20 PM
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as stated in the fist post , the fuel pump can be engage by either grounding the relay or using the direct control of the durametrics to activate it and it spew gas , so i have confirmed that the relay is good and the the ECM will activate it

i have also remove the coil packs and and grounded the plugs to see , i have taken 3 coil packs and the respective plugs to make sure it was not a single coil or something similar

i have check continuity on the crank angle sensor wiring up to the engine connector

since you have the experience of lots of porsches , the wiring diagram show 2 hall sensor and one engine speed sensor , i assum the 2 halls are the cam and the other for the crank but the wiring diagram show crank sensor wired as a cam

any idea ? , can you physically mount a 986 flywheel on a 996engine , i know its not gonna work , but why , outside physical dimension or the reluctur ring are different ?

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I remember reading a similar thread somewhere and the cause was that the airbag was disconnected. A safety feature shuts off the fuel during an accident.
 
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Old 07-05-2012, 05:44 PM
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i have seen the thread before but its not that, i dont have any air bags light on and the durametrics does not show any air bag error

would some sort of safe mode cause that
 
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mystery solved

as it turns out , it the first time i ever see this on a german car, the electrical connector are set so that they cannot be mixed , but i was wrong , the whole engine harness was taken out so its a little bit more involved then just swaping one sensor

have a look at the picture , which one is right ?
 
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per the 99 wiring it should be white and brown wires.
 
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