Porsche Credibility, RMS, Warranty and Depreciation
Porsche Credibility, RMS, Warranty and Depreciation
With so many 996 Porsches showing RMS problems, I wonder why Porsche has not come out and openly admit to a design or manufacturing flaw that should be covered beyond the standard 4 year warranty.
I see posts of many individuals whose vehicles have already had their seals replaced twice and counting. Why are these seals failing more than once? Could it be that there is an inherent flaw and a RMS replacement is just a stop-gag measure to keep the vehicle going for another 5k or 10k miles until the next leak?
Those who drive their vehicles the most are more likely to experience RMS failures while the vehicle is still under warranty. However, many of us do not drive our vehicles enough and are likely to face RMS problems AFTER warranty expires. Most of us could have a latent RMS seal problem inside our vehicles! From what I have seen, these seals can fail after tens of thousands of miles, so no failure on a vehicle with low mileage is NOT an indicator that the problem does not exist in that vehicle.
By the time many of us find out that our vehicle has a problem, our vehicle may be out of warranty and we may have to shell out big bucks (read engine replacement) to correct the problem. (I know that a RMS can be replaced for less than $1k, however, sometimes the problem persists and the vehicle would require an out-of-warranty engine replacement).
Who loses here? Everyone. Porsche loses credibility and (eventually) big bucks, when potential Porsche owners shy away from their products. Owners lose because our vehicles will depreciate sharply as people shy away from out-of-warranty hot potatoes that people are afraid to touch.
It may sound like heresy to say it here, but I read that BMW extended the warranty on their M3 following engine problems.
Isn't it about time for Porsche to extend the standard warranty to 996-series vehicles to cover RMS failures beyond the normal warranty period? I would think that 100k miles should work.
I see posts of many individuals whose vehicles have already had their seals replaced twice and counting. Why are these seals failing more than once? Could it be that there is an inherent flaw and a RMS replacement is just a stop-gag measure to keep the vehicle going for another 5k or 10k miles until the next leak?
Those who drive their vehicles the most are more likely to experience RMS failures while the vehicle is still under warranty. However, many of us do not drive our vehicles enough and are likely to face RMS problems AFTER warranty expires. Most of us could have a latent RMS seal problem inside our vehicles! From what I have seen, these seals can fail after tens of thousands of miles, so no failure on a vehicle with low mileage is NOT an indicator that the problem does not exist in that vehicle.
By the time many of us find out that our vehicle has a problem, our vehicle may be out of warranty and we may have to shell out big bucks (read engine replacement) to correct the problem. (I know that a RMS can be replaced for less than $1k, however, sometimes the problem persists and the vehicle would require an out-of-warranty engine replacement).
Who loses here? Everyone. Porsche loses credibility and (eventually) big bucks, when potential Porsche owners shy away from their products. Owners lose because our vehicles will depreciate sharply as people shy away from out-of-warranty hot potatoes that people are afraid to touch.
It may sound like heresy to say it here, but I read that BMW extended the warranty on their M3 following engine problems.
Isn't it about time for Porsche to extend the standard warranty to 996-series vehicles to cover RMS failures beyond the normal warranty period? I would think that 100k miles should work.
As long as it is the most profitable auto car company in the world, you ain't going to see nothing.
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I agree - Porsche is not going to do anything unless they are forced to do so, i.e., major law firm/class action suit.....Anyone out there from a major firm interested in starting the ball rolling......
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All I can say is i have been trying to gather some infomation on the number of total engine failures but its like trying to get blood from a stone! The number of negative vibes i have got from Porsche owners is truly amazing!!
The more we stick our heads in the sand and pretend that nothing is wrong the more likely that it will be the turn of one us to be affected.
I think the best way forward is to accept that there are problems and to try and approach Porsche as a group (not even through the courts). Or to know someone in Porsche Ag who is willing to listen rather than a call centre!
See aloo my thread about total engine replacements
All I can say is i have been trying to gather some infomation on the number of total engine failures but its like trying to get blood from a stone! The number of negative vibes i have got from Porsche owners is truly amazing!!
The more we stick our heads in the sand and pretend that nothing is wrong the more likely that it will be the turn of one us to be affected.
I think the best way forward is to accept that there are problems and to try and approach Porsche as a group (not even through the courts). Or to know someone in Porsche Ag who is willing to listen rather than a call centre!
See aloo my thread about total engine replacements
Originally posted by n4das
Guys
All I can say is i have been trying to gather some infomation on the number of total engine failures but its like trying to get blood from a stone! The number of negative vibes i have got from Porsche owners is truly amazing!!
Guys
All I can say is i have been trying to gather some infomation on the number of total engine failures but its like trying to get blood from a stone! The number of negative vibes i have got from Porsche owners is truly amazing!!
Think about it --if the problem were as bad as you believe it to be, then you should have no problem gathering the evidence. People would be lining up to complain...wouldn't they?
Just a thought...If our car is still under warranty and has a huge problem as a RMS leak for example, are we entitled for porsche or dealership to "BUY BACK" the car? If I had a problem like this, I'd want another car.
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Point taken but i think that is not due to the lack of defective engines but due to the fact that only a small% of Porsche owners access these forums. For example there are 2K members here but Porsche sells 50K cars per year in the usa. Of the 2k members on site there is a further % that are 996 owners, dont know exactly. The engine issue does not affect everyone i agree but it may be more wide spread than we give it credit
Point taken but i think that is not due to the lack of defective engines but due to the fact that only a small% of Porsche owners access these forums. For example there are 2K members here but Porsche sells 50K cars per year in the usa. Of the 2k members on site there is a further % that are 996 owners, dont know exactly. The engine issue does not affect everyone i agree but it may be more wide spread than we give it credit
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