I see where you're coming from in that regard. Thanks for the Welcome. Cheers.

To answer your question. I love both 996 GT3 and GT-R for what they are. The GT3 being one of the purist, most enjoyable drivers car you can buy period, and the GT-R for being an all out track monster with tremendous aftermarket potential. Those are the things that standout in my eyes of both cars. I like the looks of both the GT3 and GT-R, as different as they are. For me, I would take the GT-R as it ultimately has more potential as being a time attack/time trial car, where all out speed is prefered over vehicle feel or driver reward. I'm into track driving where you are able to extract all of the pontential of your car, and where laps times are of the essence. If I was looking for a sports car to take out on the weekend, and wasn't too serious about time trial events, I would likely take the GT3. Also, for me having the manual transmission in the GT3 would be much more enjoyable on the street, than the rather boring DSG tranny of the GT-R. Don't get me wrong, the GT3 is an excellent track toy, but IMO the GT-R is ultimately going to lay down the better lap time especially with minor boltons...which is what I'm after. In the end I would take the GT-R over the GT3, because it better suits MY needs. This doesn't mean it's a superior car in general...which is what I've been trying to get at all along. Nice GT3 btw, love the red exterior.

 

Some owner/fans of a cheaper car always decide to start some debate on a car forum dedicated to cars that are more expensive. I've seen it on Mitsubishi Evo forums with SRT-4 owners, M3/AMG forums with Evo owners, and now GTR owners on 6speed. Then the owners of the more expensive car would vehemently defend their purchases, pointing out flaws of the cheaper cars and soon it turns into a flamefest.

If you've already made up your mind, then buy the car you love. What's the point of arguing with owners of other vehicles about the performance/value/interior/bling factor of your car? Does it make your car better? It just screams insecurity to me. For a while, I had my mind set on the new GTR as well. Then my financial capabilities changed and I was tired of all the Nissan dealers asking for ridiculous markups, so I went with a 997tt. I've loved every moment of ownership so far, and I'm sure I would have enjoyed the GTR just as much if I had gone down that route.

The GTR and Porsche are both great cars. We should be thankful for having the ability to enjoy our cars, because for most people a $75,000 or a $125,000 car will never be affordable to them.

 

Probably the best post so far, to bad people wont listen and continue to argue .

 

Well I think you're neglecting the fact that the sample group here is full of car enthusiasts. And car enthusiasts is a minority group, by definition. (If everyone was an enthusiast, no one's an enthusiast). And my point was about the marque. Performance figures alike, all other variables alike, most people would go for a higher marque. It's just human nature to feel as if their money is being spent wisely. And most people associate higher brands with more value.

 

That is all that counts. Now I obviously haven't driven a Gtr, but if it can thrill you when you drive it like my 3 did, it must be an unbelievable car. But we must remember that we still don't have a paying Gtr owner to really let us know how good it really is, until then the jury is still out.

 

If we bring size into the topic again, now that I'm going through a detailing phase, my turbo is starting to look way to big! What's the smallest car I can buy?

 

I wasn't correcting your statement "buddy" I was correcting timeattacks.

It was in reference to the "to Einstein". Don't get me confused with the other : )

 

You told me you loved these threads, APLINE 997. C'mon, it's not really beating a dead horse.

 

You just shut it!! So you guys going to show me around town if I come up next month?

Tell Pops I said hi.

 

Depends, what car are you driving?

 

A Yugo I will bring the a P-Car.

 

Can we get back to non personal arguements, like uncovering the GT-R media onslaught.

I have yet to see a decent rebuttal for the points that have been brought up by myself and some other colleagues who dont just accept anything and the details dont add up to the results.

Timeattack seems like a sharp guy, and I know he's a GT-R fan, maybe he can offer a reasonable explanation why we are seeing things unheard of from the media in an effort to esteem the GT-R beyond what it's really capable of.

 

SWEEET! That's something you don't hear from people on 6speed. "I'm going to bring my car on a road trip for 250 miles!"

Maybe we could go to the Nissan Dealer. The only problem is the drive way thing to get in. When I went with Mr. Ed in his GT3 to go there about ordering a GTR, we couldn't get in there because of the bumper. OH well, you're a poser anyway.

 

And this is where the GTR fanboys show their true color. I would personally NEVER spend my money on a car I have not experienced driving first. These guys buy cars based on articles, marketing and numbers.

Porsche owners usually do not buy their car for numbers (we'd already lose to a Z06, etc.)... it's the overall driving experience. It's gaining the ability to tame the rear engined beast, and the reward that comes with it. That typical front engined Nissan will provoke little drama and feedback on the track. But hey, in the end, you get really good at paddle shifting and flooring it. To each his own.

 

I agree. Porsche's times are marketing ploys as well, but the difference is that you can buy the car at the dealership and replicate the times if you're good as Rohl or Von Saurma. Or you can live with knowing what your car's capable of and enjoy the experience of driving it around.

Ring times help the tuning of the car. But I could care less if the Turbo ran it faster or slower. It's basically my preference of what kind of car I want.