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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
If you get a 996 GT3 or dare I say VIPER you are naked out there and there is no covering up. I had a check made out for a Viper then went another direction and ended up with the TT because I was still only a year into it and the Vipers tend to like walls.
i had a similar religious experience the first time i tried to enter a major intersection in a viper (11 years ago). after looking like an idiot spinning out, i collected my dignity, and gave the car the respect it was due. i really started to enjoy it, but never fully appreciated it (maybe gun-shy?) to it's full capacity.
 

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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Well of course you can make anything go fast, but it's what it costs to get it there. You'll see lots of 600-700 whp 997 TT's in just a few years, and they can do it without going internal. Clutches are going to be a must in any car, but replacing a dual clutch is going to cost you out the **** especially with all this new technology, and not a great demand considering the GT-R is the only one that uses it and who knows how labor intensive it will be considering all the gadgetry under the GT-R which any clutch is labor intensive, but there is no reason not to beleive it wont be mega complicated. Besides that, who knows how long it will be before someone like spec designs a clutch for the car. I think that's the reason Nissan has discourage modifications from the onset.

'spose I didn't I account for the whole dual clutch fiasco.

But I think as time goes on, just like any tech, the cost/methods will become more affordable and easier to accomplish than once thought.
Given the transmission is the Achilles heel of the potential, that is a rather large problem.
 
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Originally Posted by jasperg35
we may actually keep the m3 (or trade in for a car i don't mind abusing - how 'bout a 997 c2s, or 996 gt3). i really loved the balance of the c2.
all in all, i think all of these cars are fun in their own way.
I think that makes more sense, GT-R for DD and a dedicated track car for fun/abusing. 996/997 GT3 make great track cars.

Originally Posted by eclou
1)start with a fancy sports car then mod it repeatedly to improve trackability
2)as the car gets faster it becomes less streetable and anxiety builds about the potential for a big spin/wreck
3)pursue/campaign a dedicated low $$ track car - spec Miata especially - and sell the street/track hybrid monster and buy a new sports car for "street only"
4)get bored with the Miata and repeat #1 with the new sports car
I got a kick out of this post, and find myself doing just that. Shortly after purchasing the GT3, we were presented with a great opportunity to get a fully track prepared early 911 (my favorite) at a significantly discounted cost. My lovely wife said: "I think one new Porsche is enough this year". So to appease my "needs" I have been modding the GT3 until I can convince her that I "need" the dedicated track car. Maybe the Miata is the way to go?

I would also like to drive a GT-R just to see what I think of it, because at the end of the day I still enjoy driving all cars in general.
 
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Originally Posted by jasperg35
the tires that people are doing the tests on... aren't they the stock bridgestone r's? the summer tires that come on the premium edition? i don't see how this is a bad thing. maybe i don't see the issue. what is wrong with the stock car being sold with pilots? it meets more adverse conditions met everyday. and if it is such a disadvantage, why aren't different tires sold with the car in stock trim?

about the walter rohl comment... put him in a boxster s and he could probably run circles around a gt-r.

i think everybody is waiting for top gear to do their 'thing'. i am reserving judgement until i drive both, for no less than one week.

I don't think the tires on the stock 997 are bad at all! Rather, the stock premium, sticky, and very expensive tires on the GT-R are bad, for comparison purposes. Thus a GT3 or RS version would be better for comparison tests - I believe those have stickier tires, right?
 
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This thread is still going on? 911 Turbo, FTW! Long live the king!








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This thread just took a turn for the better lol.
 
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no way the gtr is better. only thing it is better is shifting. handling... u gotta love the porsche
 
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Yes, GT-R is the better car, but who cares. You don't always need to have the "best".
 
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I know us GT-R proponents have had a lot of ammo these past months to fuel this debate. I also know that you P-guys and GM guys have pretty much had to rely on dated/and or subjective retaliation. So it is with great pleasure I present you some volatile fuel for your passion to burn on.




Paul Walker, In a 2009 GT-R on set filming the 4th Fast and the Furious movie. Rip it up boys, you earned it.
 
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