Nissan GT-R Superior?
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Found new video. This explains why heavier GTR is faster than other lighter cars.
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...t_first_drive/
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...t_first_drive/
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if you're suggesting the porsche turbo should have been faster, no other magazine that tested the porsche turbo independently ran anything faster than a 2:02. which still puts it 5 seconds slower than the gt-r.
If you're suggesting the GT-R didn't run the 1:56 at BW#13 then I suggest watching the video.
I think all three cars are great cars but its really what car gives you that warm feeling all over. For some it may be the GTR and others it will be the turbo. For me I love the way the Z06 looks but can't stand that corvette mid life crisis image.
If you're suggesting the GT-R didn't run the 1:56 at BW#13 then I suggest watching the video.
I think all three cars are great cars but its really what car gives you that warm feeling all over. For some it may be the GTR and others it will be the turbo. For me I love the way the Z06 looks but can't stand that corvette mid life crisis image.
The other magazines didnt have pros driving either. But did still manage to have their mag editor beat the pro in the Z06
.Not only that Millen has been known to grip and complain in fear of RWD cars. He has been slow in the Vette vs the Viper before and all he talked about then was the power and oversteer blah blah blah. I may expect this from a mag editor but not from a pro driver, and certainly not one who has substantial rally in his career. It's called throttle steer.
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Found new video. This explains why heavier GTR is faster than other lighter cars.
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...t_first_drive/
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...t_first_drive/
Also explains why the GT-R is neck and neck with the Turbo till the 1/4 mile, then gets left.
Sounds like I heard that somewhere before.
Oh yeah, I said it.
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The other magazines didnt have pros driving either. But did still manage to have their mag editor beat the pro in the Z06 .
Not only that Millen has been known to grip and complain in fear of RWD cars. He has been slow in the Vette vs the Viper before and all he talked about then was the power and oversteer blah blah blah. I may expect this from a mag editor but not from a pro driver, and certainly not one who has substantial rally in his career. It's called throttle steer.
.Not only that Millen has been known to grip and complain in fear of RWD cars. He has been slow in the Vette vs the Viper before and all he talked about then was the power and oversteer blah blah blah. I may expect this from a mag editor but not from a pro driver, and certainly not one who has substantial rally in his career. It's called throttle steer.
I don't know what you are arguing? Are you implying that with a F1 driver the porsche turbo will run a faster time than the GT-R @ BW#13? The fastest time i've seen for a stock porsche turbo @ the same track is 2:02. Steve Millen ran a 2:03 which isn't that far off. Michael Schumacher is going to have a hard time pulling off anything close to a 1:56:9. At that track this time difference is considered DAYS.
the porsche gt3 ran a 2:02 at buttonwillow #13 as well and from my understanding these times are rather similar to the turbo from track to track.
and as far as steve millen running a slower time (1 sec) to a magazine editor, this is the nature of racing. If you have any racing or track day experience you will understand that a track might be slower one day than the next. This is largely dependent on temperature, wind, dust and countless other variables.
This past weekend we campaigned a time attack car at Buttonwillow. It ran 1.5 seconds faster on sat than it did on sunday. This was largely due to the wind that picked up and track conditions that affected time. SO to say S. Millen was sand bagging because his time was slower than the editor of xxx magazine because the editor ran a faster time on a DIFFERENT day holds no grounds.
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All 3 are great cars, regardless of the prices. But what I care is 10 years ago only VERY few stock Japanese cars can barely see the tail light of a 993 Turbo or GT2, but 10 yrs later they have a car beats 997 Turbo for half price. Should Porsche do something to bring the history back?
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Do you need Hamilton or the stig to drive a car to be "official?" Not every publication can pull someone of Steve Millen's caliber to test every single sports car to soccer van. No just someone who can drive a 911 decently and a Z06 for that matter.
I don't know what you are arguing? Are you implying that with a F1 driver the porsche turbo will run a faster time than the GT-R @ BW#13? The fastest time i've seen for a stock porsche turbo @ the same track is 2:02. Steve Millen ran a 2:03 which isn't that far off. Michael Schumacher is going to have a hard time pulling off anything close to a 1:56:9. At that track this time difference is considered DAYS. I never said anything about an F1 driver, but certainly a guy who has been a factory driver for years and race almost his whole life should beat a mag writer unless the condtions are POOR, and they obviously were not, nice sunny day, good enough for the GT-R to run a 1:56. The GT-R is not that much faster if any than the Z06 unless it;s raining. PERIOD.
Stop over exhaggerating, you're starting to sound a bit drama queenish.
the porsche gt3 ran a 2:02 at buttonwillow #13 as well and from my understanding these times are rather similar to the turbo from track to track.
Still mag times, and non by a professional Porsche Driver heh? Apples to ORANGES.
and as far as steve millen running a slower time (1 sec) to a magazine editor, this is the nature of racing. If you have any racing or track day experience you will understand that a track might be slower one day than the next. This is largely dependent on temperature, wind, dust and countless other variables. That is not the natue of racing, a pro driver does not lose by a second in like conditions to a mag driver. PERIOD, there are some exceptions of guys who have done some competitive driving in their past but this isnt one of them.
This past weekend we campaigned a time attack car at Buttonwillow. It ran 1.5 seconds faster on sat than it did on sunday. This was largely due to the wind that picked up and track conditions that affected time. SO to say S. Millen was sand bagging because his time was slower than the editor of xxx magazine because the editor ran a faster time on a DIFFERENT day holds no grounds.
I don't know what you are arguing? Are you implying that with a F1 driver the porsche turbo will run a faster time than the GT-R @ BW#13? The fastest time i've seen for a stock porsche turbo @ the same track is 2:02. Steve Millen ran a 2:03 which isn't that far off. Michael Schumacher is going to have a hard time pulling off anything close to a 1:56:9. At that track this time difference is considered DAYS. I never said anything about an F1 driver, but certainly a guy who has been a factory driver for years and race almost his whole life should beat a mag writer unless the condtions are POOR, and they obviously were not, nice sunny day, good enough for the GT-R to run a 1:56. The GT-R is not that much faster if any than the Z06 unless it;s raining. PERIOD.
Stop over exhaggerating, you're starting to sound a bit drama queenish.
the porsche gt3 ran a 2:02 at buttonwillow #13 as well and from my understanding these times are rather similar to the turbo from track to track.
Still mag times, and non by a professional Porsche Driver heh? Apples to ORANGES.
and as far as steve millen running a slower time (1 sec) to a magazine editor, this is the nature of racing. If you have any racing or track day experience you will understand that a track might be slower one day than the next. This is largely dependent on temperature, wind, dust and countless other variables. That is not the natue of racing, a pro driver does not lose by a second in like conditions to a mag driver. PERIOD, there are some exceptions of guys who have done some competitive driving in their past but this isnt one of them.
This past weekend we campaigned a time attack car at Buttonwillow. It ran 1.5 seconds faster on sat than it did on sunday. This was largely due to the wind that picked up and track conditions that affected time. SO to say S. Millen was sand bagging because his time was slower than the editor of xxx magazine because the editor ran a faster time on a DIFFERENT day holds no grounds.
And even still to say the conditions were a factor would mean that the drivers would have to be equal, under that ASSUMPTION. Is that what you are saying, they are equal drivers? Because dry conditions arent adding 3 and 4 seconds which is what it would take to put Millen ahead in terms of driver skill.
If you actually think the GT-R is legitimately 5 seconds faster than the Z06
or
If you think the TT is legitimately faster than the Z06
combined with
You thinking that the conditions had anything to do with the Z06 losing to the TT and both to the GT-R by 5 seconds.
Not worth my time.
Kthnxbye.
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Originally Posted by Curtis@MD 
Do you need Hamilton or the stig to drive a car to be "official?" Not every publication can pull someone of Steve Millen's caliber to test every single sports car to soccer van. No just someone who can drive a 911 decently and a Z06 for that matter.
I don't know what you are arguing? Are you implying that with a F1 driver the porsche turbo will run a faster time than the GT-R @ BW#13? The fastest time i've seen for a stock porsche turbo @ the same track is 2:02. Steve Millen ran a 2:03 which isn't that far off. Michael Schumacher is going to have a hard time pulling off anything close to a 1:56:9. At that track this time difference is considered DAYS. I never said anything about an F1 driver, but certainly a guy who has been a factory driver for years and race almost his whole life should beat a mag writer unless the condtions are POOR, and they obviously were not, nice sunny day, good enough for the GT-R to run a 1:56. The GT-R is not that much faster if any than the Z06 unless it;s raining. PERIOD.
Stop over exhaggerating, you're starting to sound a bit drama queenish.
the porsche gt3 ran a 2:02 at buttonwillow #13 as well and from my understanding these times are rather similar to the turbo from track to track.
Still mag times, and non by a professional Porsche Driver heh? Apples to ORANGES.
and as far as steve millen running a slower time (1 sec) to a magazine editor, this is the nature of racing. If you have any racing or track day experience you will understand that a track might be slower one day than the next. This is largely dependent on temperature, wind, dust and countless other variables. That is not the natue of racing, a pro driver does not lose by a second in like conditions to a mag driver. PERIOD, there are some exceptions of guys who have done some competitive driving in their past but this isnt one of them.
This past weekend we campaigned a time attack car at Buttonwillow. It ran 1.5 seconds faster on sat than it did on sunday. This was largely due to the wind that picked up and track conditions that affected time. SO to say S. Millen was sand bagging because his time was slower than the editor of xxx magazine because the editor ran a faster time on a DIFFERENT day holds no grounds.
Was it on the same tires? Tires can go away, from what I know one car cant run out the tires on another if the same tires arent being used.
And even still to say the conditions were a factor would mean that the drivers would have to be equal, under that ASSUMPTION. Is that what you are saying, they are equal drivers? Because dry conditions arent adding 3 and 4 seconds which is what it would take to put Millen ahead in terms of driver skill.
If you actually think the GT-R is legitimately 5 seconds faster than the Z06
or
If you think the TT is legitimately faster than the Z06
combined with
You thinking that the conditions had anything to do with the Z06 losing to the TT and both to the GT-R by 5 seconds.
Not worth my time.
Kthnxbye.
Do you need Hamilton or the stig to drive a car to be "official?" Not every publication can pull someone of Steve Millen's caliber to test every single sports car to soccer van. No just someone who can drive a 911 decently and a Z06 for that matter.
I don't know what you are arguing? Are you implying that with a F1 driver the porsche turbo will run a faster time than the GT-R @ BW#13? The fastest time i've seen for a stock porsche turbo @ the same track is 2:02. Steve Millen ran a 2:03 which isn't that far off. Michael Schumacher is going to have a hard time pulling off anything close to a 1:56:9. At that track this time difference is considered DAYS. I never said anything about an F1 driver, but certainly a guy who has been a factory driver for years and race almost his whole life should beat a mag writer unless the condtions are POOR, and they obviously were not, nice sunny day, good enough for the GT-R to run a 1:56. The GT-R is not that much faster if any than the Z06 unless it;s raining. PERIOD.
Stop over exhaggerating, you're starting to sound a bit drama queenish.
the porsche gt3 ran a 2:02 at buttonwillow #13 as well and from my understanding these times are rather similar to the turbo from track to track.
Still mag times, and non by a professional Porsche Driver heh? Apples to ORANGES.
and as far as steve millen running a slower time (1 sec) to a magazine editor, this is the nature of racing. If you have any racing or track day experience you will understand that a track might be slower one day than the next. This is largely dependent on temperature, wind, dust and countless other variables. That is not the natue of racing, a pro driver does not lose by a second in like conditions to a mag driver. PERIOD, there are some exceptions of guys who have done some competitive driving in their past but this isnt one of them.
This past weekend we campaigned a time attack car at Buttonwillow. It ran 1.5 seconds faster on sat than it did on sunday. This was largely due to the wind that picked up and track conditions that affected time. SO to say S. Millen was sand bagging because his time was slower than the editor of xxx magazine because the editor ran a faster time on a DIFFERENT day holds no grounds.
Was it on the same tires? Tires can go away, from what I know one car cant run out the tires on another if the same tires arent being used.
And even still to say the conditions were a factor would mean that the drivers would have to be equal, under that ASSUMPTION. Is that what you are saying, they are equal drivers? Because dry conditions arent adding 3 and 4 seconds which is what it would take to put Millen ahead in terms of driver skill.
If you actually think the GT-R is legitimately 5 seconds faster than the Z06
or
If you think the TT is legitimately faster than the Z06
combined with
You thinking that the conditions had anything to do with the Z06 losing to the TT and both to the GT-R by 5 seconds.
Not worth my time.
Kthnxbye.
1st point:
Do you not understand that track is a huge dust bowl? If any of those cars went off course and dragged back dirt or the wind was blowing large amounts of dust on the track it would effect the times, pro or non pro. A sunny day at buttonwillow can mean 50 deg, or 115 deg. Once again have you been there?
2nd point:
just because someone isn't a pro driver doesn't mean they are incapable of consistent competitive times. A magazine editors job is to test cars, do you think they would stick someone incapable behind the wheel to review cars?
3rd point:
the case you are making is that Steve Millen sand bagged the z06 and the 911 turbo so satisfy Nissan enthusiasts and further elevate the GTR. This is still only speculation. What you've neglected to consider time and time again is that
a) track conditions vary day by day. ANY pro racer will tell you that.
b) There has been no stock z06 or porsche turbo that's ran faster than 2:02 at BW #13. Show me a stock z06 or turbo that has ran 1:57 and i'll eat my words. Till then all you have is speculation that someone held back with no substance to prove otherwise.
c) I've got numbers backing me up, all you have is some conspiracy theory that all the magazine publications are out to get porsche and chevy.
You seem to be more emotionally tied to this subject than all of us, I am not trying to argue that the GTR is a better car, in fact, i would bet the z06 to be right on par with that 1:57 time if conditions were more favorable and they were on similar compound tires. So no, i don't think the GT-R is "legitimately" 5 seconds faster, but not due to the driver, but due largely TIRES and More Grip.
If you're in southern california i'd love to have this debate over a beer. till then cheers!
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Here's what I want to see done:
1. A real race track, not Button Willow and these 'D.E.' tracks.
2. A respected factory driver from Porsche (Pat Long), Chevy, (Ron Fellows) and Nissan (Steve Millen or what ever) all running in their respected cars for the top lap time.
3. Sunny day.
You can't draw any excuses from that.
1. A real race track, not Button Willow and these 'D.E.' tracks.
2. A respected factory driver from Porsche (Pat Long), Chevy, (Ron Fellows) and Nissan (Steve Millen or what ever) all running in their respected cars for the top lap time.
3. Sunny day.
You can't draw any excuses from that.
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when's the last time you ran buttonwillow?
1st point:
Do you not understand that track is a huge dust bowl? If any of those cars went off course and dragged back dirt or the wind was blowing large amounts of dust on the track it would effect the times, pro or non pro. A sunny day at buttonwillow can mean 50 deg, or 115 deg. Once again have you been there?
You are the master of what if scenarios, no I have not been, but have gotten lots of advice on the track because I was going for the Super Lap Battle, but Super Street or whoever it was did not honor their policy to pay for the trip of the winner in my category. I have lots of race videos and have seen lots of people going off and coming on, sorry, but your arguement isnt carrying any weight with me.
2nd point:
just because someone isn't a pro driver doesn't mean they are incapable of consistent competitive times. A magazine editors job is to test cars, do you think they would stick someone incapable behind the wheel to review cars?
You give the benefit of the doubt, when the vast majority of mag writers have no competitve experience, and the only track experience they have is test driving for the mags, still shouldnt be in the ball park of a pro driver. Steve Millen is obviously capable.
3rd point:
the case you are making is that Steve Millen sand bagged the z06 and the 911 turbo so satisfy Nissan enthusiasts and further elevate the GTR. This is still only speculation. What you've neglected to consider time and time again is that
a) track conditions vary day by day. ANY pro racer will tell you that.
b) There has been no stock z06 or porsche turbo that's ran faster than 2:02 at BW #13. Show me a stock z06 or turbo that has ran 1:57 and i'll eat my words. Till then all you have is speculation that someone held back with no substance to prove otherwise.
c) I've got numbers backing me up, all you have is some conspiracy theory that all the magazine publications are out to get porsche and chevy.
All driven by mag drivers, NOT PRO RACERS. Seems as if Millen turned it up a notch. You keep coming up with make beleive scenarios that have never come up or been mentioned. If the track was a dust bowl, that still does not equal wet, and all the cars had to drive in it.
If Road and Track honors their statement of bringing a driver out there to run Millen, I'll garauntee you see a much faster time if they bring who I advised, and he's not even pro.
You seem to be more emotionally tied to this subject than all of us, I am not trying to argue that the GTR is a better car, in fact, i would bet the z06 to be right on par with that 1:57 time if conditions were more favorable and they were on similar compound tires. So no, i don't think the GT-R is "legitimately" 5 seconds faster, but not due to the driver, but due largely TIRES and More Grip.The only point I've been trying to make the whole time, but even still the tires on the GT-R are not worth 5 seconds.
If you're in southern california i'd love to have this debate over a beer. till then cheers!
1st point:
Do you not understand that track is a huge dust bowl? If any of those cars went off course and dragged back dirt or the wind was blowing large amounts of dust on the track it would effect the times, pro or non pro. A sunny day at buttonwillow can mean 50 deg, or 115 deg. Once again have you been there?
You are the master of what if scenarios, no I have not been, but have gotten lots of advice on the track because I was going for the Super Lap Battle, but Super Street or whoever it was did not honor their policy to pay for the trip of the winner in my category. I have lots of race videos and have seen lots of people going off and coming on, sorry, but your arguement isnt carrying any weight with me.
2nd point:
just because someone isn't a pro driver doesn't mean they are incapable of consistent competitive times. A magazine editors job is to test cars, do you think they would stick someone incapable behind the wheel to review cars?
You give the benefit of the doubt, when the vast majority of mag writers have no competitve experience, and the only track experience they have is test driving for the mags, still shouldnt be in the ball park of a pro driver. Steve Millen is obviously capable.
3rd point:
the case you are making is that Steve Millen sand bagged the z06 and the 911 turbo so satisfy Nissan enthusiasts and further elevate the GTR. This is still only speculation. What you've neglected to consider time and time again is that
a) track conditions vary day by day. ANY pro racer will tell you that.
b) There has been no stock z06 or porsche turbo that's ran faster than 2:02 at BW #13. Show me a stock z06 or turbo that has ran 1:57 and i'll eat my words. Till then all you have is speculation that someone held back with no substance to prove otherwise.
c) I've got numbers backing me up, all you have is some conspiracy theory that all the magazine publications are out to get porsche and chevy.
All driven by mag drivers, NOT PRO RACERS. Seems as if Millen turned it up a notch. You keep coming up with make beleive scenarios that have never come up or been mentioned. If the track was a dust bowl, that still does not equal wet, and all the cars had to drive in it.
If Road and Track honors their statement of bringing a driver out there to run Millen, I'll garauntee you see a much faster time if they bring who I advised, and he's not even pro.
You seem to be more emotionally tied to this subject than all of us, I am not trying to argue that the GTR is a better car, in fact, i would bet the z06 to be right on par with that 1:57 time if conditions were more favorable and they were on similar compound tires. So no, i don't think the GT-R is "legitimately" 5 seconds faster, but not due to the driver, but due largely TIRES and More Grip.The only point I've been trying to make the whole time, but even still the tires on the GT-R are not worth 5 seconds.
If you're in southern california i'd love to have this debate over a beer. till then cheers!
There is an overwhelming amount of evidence of foul play here, Millen has voiced a scared of RWD cars opinion before.
BTW, I'm not emotionally tied to anything but my car, I like beating 997 TT's too.
I just like talking cars and debating in general, I'm not a hostile guy until I get attacked with bouts of ignorance (not reffering to you).
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There is an overwhelming amount of evidence of foul play here, Millen has voiced a scared of RWD cars opinion before.
BTW, I'm not emotionally tied to anything but my car, I like beating 997 TT's too.
I just like talking cars and debating in general, I'm not a hostile guy until I get attacked with bouts of ignorance (not reffering to you).
BTW, I'm not emotionally tied to anything but my car, I like beating 997 TT's too.
I just like talking cars and debating in general, I'm not a hostile guy until I get attacked with bouts of ignorance (not reffering to you).
well i don't think we've established any common ground as of yet lol.
Believe me, if someone drags piles of dirt and dust on the track at some point during the day you will not go full throttle through that apex. There are a million variables that can explain why cars run different times on different days, i've only mentioned a few.
But i digress, we are splitting hairs here.
i give the tires at least 2 seconds if not more difference between the z06's tires. Then again we don't have any facts and figures on the specific tire compounds on the bridgestones.
With out a doubt getting the z06 on comprable tires we will see closer results, 5 seconds, i doubt it , but it should be close.
what car do you track with? we were there the last two years at the super lap battle, taking home the fastest street tire car in my supra in '06. We'll be bringing more heat this year for sure if you decide to make it out
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When the design of the GT-R both mechanically and visually can stand the test of 4+ decades then I feel like the word superior can be tossed around.
Till then its just the flavor of the month.
Till then its just the flavor of the month.
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well i don't think we've established any common ground as of yet lol.
Believe me, if someone drags piles of dirt and dust on the track at some point during the day you will not go full throttle through that apex. There are a million variables that can explain why cars run different times on different days, i've only mentioned a few.
But i digress, we are splitting hairs here.
i give the tires at least 2 seconds if not more difference between the z06's tires. Then again we don't have any facts and figures on the specific tire compounds on the bridgestones.
With out a doubt getting the z06 on comprable tires we will see closer results, 5 seconds, i doubt it , but it should be close.
what car do you track with? we were there the last two years at the super lap battle, taking home the fastest street tire car in my supra in '06. We'll be bringing more heat this year for sure if you decide to make it out
Believe me, if someone drags piles of dirt and dust on the track at some point during the day you will not go full throttle through that apex. There are a million variables that can explain why cars run different times on different days, i've only mentioned a few.
But i digress, we are splitting hairs here.
i give the tires at least 2 seconds if not more difference between the z06's tires. Then again we don't have any facts and figures on the specific tire compounds on the bridgestones.
With out a doubt getting the z06 on comprable tires we will see closer results, 5 seconds, i doubt it , but it should be close.
what car do you track with? we were there the last two years at the super lap battle, taking home the fastest street tire car in my supra in '06. We'll be bringing more heat this year for sure if you decide to make it out
You talk of the dirt as if it's a certainty when the only thing it is good for is coming up with "other" reasons for the debacle. It would have to be a VERY significant spin to bring tons of dirt on the track anyways, and I'm sorry but that is a little far fetched.
On top of that you are still only talking about one section of the track and you'd need a bulldozer worth of dirt to take even one second off of a 2 minute lap.
I think the GT-R's tires are worth 2 seconds over the Z06's, but I also beleive the Z06 is faster on the track, magazine articles dont convince me when they carry these splinters.
As for my track car, it's a 996 Turbo, and while I travel quite a bit to track, I'm not going 3k miles to the other side of the coutry for a one day event on my own dollar. I need to learn the track anyways. If I go that far, buttonwillow is not at the top of my list. So if Super Street wants to anti up this year and pay like they said, I'm game. Otherwise I'm left to assume they didnt respond to my emails because I have a Porsche and they've already banned one (GMG). Whatever class I'm in though, I'll be very competitive.
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Gentleman,
As we enjoy this debate over A vs.B, Foreign vs. Domestic, Fellows vs. Millen, let me state this...
I come to these forums to enjoy and educate myself on the one thing in life that I enjoy most...cars. All types, all flavors. Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Vette...Model T, Camaro, Hundai, I don't care, I love them all. Bring on my new Autoweek please!
Automotive advancements are facinating, and when I read a headline that separates a car from the field like the GT-R has done, I can't wait to hear verification of the results. In the interim, let the debates rattle on. It provides fuel for us all.
On a softer note, I am stoked to be driving again in this year's Long Beach Grand Prix in SPEED GT. Although a Viper Racer, I am a Porsche lover and have owned ten of them. If any of you are making the event, come by and say hello in our paddock. Porsche, Vette, Mustangs and Vipers will all be there representing. "Fellows" isn't there this year, but Andy and Mike will do the Caddies justice for sure.
Thanks for the great thread,
Stu Frederick
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As we enjoy this debate over A vs.B, Foreign vs. Domestic, Fellows vs. Millen, let me state this...
I come to these forums to enjoy and educate myself on the one thing in life that I enjoy most...cars. All types, all flavors. Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Vette...Model T, Camaro, Hundai, I don't care, I love them all. Bring on my new Autoweek please!
Automotive advancements are facinating, and when I read a headline that separates a car from the field like the GT-R has done, I can't wait to hear verification of the results. In the interim, let the debates rattle on. It provides fuel for us all.
On a softer note, I am stoked to be driving again in this year's Long Beach Grand Prix in SPEED GT. Although a Viper Racer, I am a Porsche lover and have owned ten of them. If any of you are making the event, come by and say hello in our paddock. Porsche, Vette, Mustangs and Vipers will all be there representing. "Fellows" isn't there this year, but Andy and Mike will do the Caddies justice for sure.
Thanks for the great thread,
Stu Frederick
WCGT #57