I agree. These GTR threads keep attracting "new" members that just joined so they can try to rile up 997TT owners, as if we'd care.

As a Porsche owner, I could care less about how fast these bargain cars such as the GTR, ariel atom, z06, and ford lightning truck are. It's pointless. Hell, they have EVO IX's that can run 8 second quarter miles, trapping at 160mph, all for less than $30K. I respect the cars for what they do, but I'd never own one of them. Period.

All these guys jumping on here who sip on the media kool aid suck. I'm glad that the z06 guy ran the GTR off the road. The blog posted is trying to downplay it by saying that they didn't have enough time to use launch control, etc. The bottom line is that the z06 whipped it, in a real world situation with a real owner. No BS magazine headlines or absurd numbers or Nissan pro-race drivers with a Nissan tuning company.

Hype is hype. Magazines need to sell. The GTR is nothing new to the car world, and I doubt that this new version will change anything about its sales performance in the past.

 

I Agree!!!!

 

The sales performance of the Porsche or the Nissan? I don't think it will take away sales from Porsche...However, it'll be the 1st time the GTR will be available in the US (w/o importing)..so sales will increase some what. By how much...remains to be seen.

 

Personally I would rather have a 911 GT3 but If I have some cash left over, I wouldn't mind having a fun daily driver, what better car then the GTR?

 

The atom is awesome but no, we wouldn't all be going out and buying an impractical 30k go-kart. The GT-R on the other hand is a 4-ton, 4-seater, 4-season, daily driver so come on, you've got to give Nissan some respect.

As for the topic at hand, is the GT-R superior? No, it wouldn't be fair to say something like that. It's times are only slightly quicker and we don't know how accurate the data is so far. But even if actual owners start posting even better times I think it would have to be pretty substantial gaps with little after-market tuning.

Now, with the V-Spec on the other hand, you might have yourself a case if the engineers achieve their goal of 7:25 at the 'ring.

 

I never thought I'd say this about a 997 Turbo, but the reason I prefer the Turbo to the GT-R is because the Turbo is more of a sports car than the GT-R.

It has a manual transmission. It weighs a lot less. It probably has better road feel and is more fun to drive for a variety of reasons.


That goes a long way. Many GTs can outperform sports cars. Doesn't put them in the same class.


Again, can't believe I'm saying this about a Turbo, a car I swore was a GT I guess it's all relative, eh?

 

So you like having unusable rear seats and a stock suspension that eats away your tires like youre always on the track?

I'm sure the sound system really isnt on par with anything decent (not that Porsche's is any good).

A great daily driver would be the M5 or the M3 sedan. Which are both fun cars, very practical and roomy, definitely have umpf when you need it, and all of the electronic bells and whistles that I miss so much in the 997TT. (Btw, premium sound on the E90 M3 is amazing, best stock car system I have ever heard - easily gives the car at least 50hp on the track )

 

So pure, So direct, I love it.

 

The V-Spec GTR is claimed to have ran a 7:25 in the 'ring. Who knows if its true though...

 

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/n...stun-observers

Ya, but it's still a test car. So I will hold my opinion until the production version is released.

 

I've been following these arguements for quite some time now. When you get down to it it's really pointless in arguing which car is better, but is quite entertaining for many of us. I think it really comes down to what type of car you're looking for, and what your bankroll looks like. First of all, *** the Porsche marque or their racing heritage, and forget about what you know about a "Datsun", if your truly want to argue why one car is better than the other. Respect the car for what it is...not soley because they have won a million races, or because the company makes a $10k econo box. I wouldn't say one car is better than the other, although the GTR is probably overall the better performer in terms of numbers, everything else being more subjective in criteria.

From a looks standpoint the cars are totally different, as the GTR is a big/broad GT car with edgy love it or hate it styling, and the Turbo by definition has more of a timeless classic/elegant sports car look. The one thing I appreciate about the GTR is the fact that the whole car favors function over form. In some ways I appreciate the technological side of a part or design, even if it isn't the most elegant looking in design. To some people it may not be conventionally the prettiest knife in the cabinet, but it's hard to argue that it's not one of the sharpest. For me the biggest downfall of the GT-R is the fact that there is currently no manual transmission available, and the fact that I would eventually probably get bored with a sub 600hp GT-R on the track. The car probably isn't the most rewarding track car in the world, simply because of the impressive awd systems that does a lot of the work for you, and overall weight distribution of the car (compared to the rear engine Porsche). Simply put, it wont be a very challenging car to drive near 10/10ths, especially when considering how blistering fast its cornering speeds are. This is one thing that Porsche's have always been known for...in being a drivers car. The 993/6's and to a lesser extent 997's, are well known for their lift throttle/trailbrake oversteer manners, and overall hard to tame and unique vehicle dynamics. As flawed as the rear engine design is, it's one of the things that makes it most rewarding to drive. And if you're able to conquer this challenge, obviously comes reward in the neurological pathways of our brains, which increases our love and passion for the car. A lot of the fans of the GT-R fail to see this or admit to it. From my experiences on the gtrnaoc.org forum, I've realized that most of them only see numbers, and fail to comprehend vehicle dynamics/feel and things of that nature that make a car fun and rewarding to drive. The interiors of both cars are quite nice in my opinion. The GT-R definately has a more racy serious looking cockpit, but find it hard to knock the material qualities, or meaningful design. The Turbo definately has the more elegant/luxurious interior, especially considering some of the options available. Although to some people the Turbo interior may be rather boring, since it is so traditional in design.

I love and respect both cars for what they are, although in the end I would probably take the GT-R, although my opinion is as important as the next guys. I'm a track junky, and see a ton of potential for the GT-R in time attacks/trials, which is what I'm into. Absolute speed has a hand over anything else in this case...thus my choice for the GT-R. There's no doubht the GT-R will be a ABSOLUTE track monster, given a couple of years of aftermarket development. If I did very little if any track day driving, price was of little concern, and was looking for a pimp *** whip, I would likely take the Turbo in that case...in a manual might I add. Peace

 

Agreed timeattack. But luckily price is a concern to most people. Or else this would be a Ferrari forum. lol i kid, i kid.

That Spec-V is reporting 7:25 at Nurburgring. I think the ZR1 is there as well right now and I'm anxious to see how well it does.

 

Can Admin please just Add a SKYLINE section (by the way am not a Skyline hater).

 

The car doesn’t have much of an hour glass figure. But then again it doesn’t need it because it’s not beautiful, nor is it trying to be. It is what it is. It’s a weapon. And killing isn’t pretty business.

 

Do you by chance write scripts for cheezy movie previews?