But here is the thing. Nissan would not lie on the official press release because it wouldn't do any good if they did. Why would Nissan risk their reputation to lie about the performance times? You know the other companies will buy the GTR and do R&D, and the truth will come out. If Nissan did lie, other car companies will be the first to call them on it. And Nissan will never recover from that because now no one will believe anything Nissan will say. If that happens, the stock price will go down and they will loose millions. Nissan is ran by very smart business people. And there is no way top execs would allow that. (Most of them have stock options) Not to mention customer blow back with law suits for false advertising.

http://www.nissaneurope-newsbureau.c...5056384513968#

Do you think Porsche would lie about GT2 on their press release? Or BMW with their M3? It will not happen because too much is at stake. Stock prices go up when car companies release a new halo car. And last thing these companies want to do is bring the stock price down by not being honest.

So you see, Nissan has a lot to loose by lying about the performance numbers. The thousands of corporate lawyers who work for Nissan will not allow it.

 

See Akira, now I know you really don't have much knowledge of the car business. What makes you think that Nissan is run by a team of smart people? I'm sorry to say, but Nissan is struggling right now. They are under tremendous pressure from Carlos Ghosn to produce sales volume. BTW Carlos is the top man for both Renault and Nissan. However, they are failing miserably. I can tell you because I am in the business and have very intimate knowledge of what this company is going through.

You need to do some homework on Nissan before you accept their word and gospel. They need all the positive publicity they can get.

BTW, gettign caught fudging lap times, 1/4 times, and such does not impact stock price. Take some business classes at wherever you are attending school. Financial performance determines stock price. Honda was caught a few years back for overstating HP ratings on their cars. Didn't change the stock price. Can't all of you guys see that this is all hype?

Sure the car is a great car, but is it really all that it's hyped up to be? None of us own one, so none of us can say for sure. I just won't claim anything about any car unless I have either driven it extensively or have owned it. IMO. All the magazine racers like Akira and Timeattack just need to stop.

 

Nissan have lied, the HP and Torque figures are understated. Sorry for poor example but its true.

 

Good point, if you're going to compare apples to apples then compare the 122 by the Z06 to the 116 by the GT-R, compare the same day test when the Z06 went 123 and the GT-R only 116, or even a 996 GT3 trapping 114 and the GT-R 112. The fact is that the Z06 is at least 5-7 mph faster in the 1/4 mile than the GT-R, which is a BIG deficit. And the 997 Turbo is 2-3 mph faster. For all this extra power it's supposed to have, it's still a turd in a straight line and track where speeds barely go below 80 mph it will struggle.

There are a lot of misleading mag articles that only print what they want, I've seen some mags put the CGT at 7:36 at the ring, or 7:33 when mentioning the GT-R's 7:38 run before. They are smart enough not to put it as faster than the CGT and look completely stupid so they change the CGT time now that Nissan announces 7:29. There are a lot of word games and media blander with this car, and it's pretty obvious, and to an extent I've never seen before.

Also, how many times was the terrible understeer mentioned in the first few articles, now we see Tony Swan frustrated with it, and many recent articles saying the same. The attessa is just as overhyped as the car itself. I said a long time ago you could SEE the understeer in the car, but no one mentioned it. It understeers just like any other AWD car.

This car is no marvel whatsoever. They put a super stiff suspension on it, which alleviates the body roll and covers the weight feel. The DSG eliminates slow shifting and driver error, but the slow downshifts are a liability. Sticky tires and just enough hp to hang on the heels of a TT or a length or two back from a Z06 until 100, then it gets mashed heavily by both. The car corners well, again, because of the extra stiff suspension, that's not friendly on the street, and AWD which is always a help on street tires with mag drivers, and the sticky tires.

 

wow...

 

wow what? his statement is true.

 

when it has different modes or settings it is adjustable, just like BMW's EDC.

 

Nissan is doing a lot better after Carlos took over from Yoshikazu Hanawa. Nissan was in blink of going under but Carlos really turned it around. Not to say that they are doing great, but they are doing better than before.

Financial performance determines stock price, this is true. But rumors can bring up or down stock prices just as much. Few examples are Apple. When they didn't announce 3G iPhone back in Jan, stock went down because everyone was expecting it from the rumors. Another example is when Toyota was rumored to launch Lexus brand in Japan. Stock prices went up. There are many other examples.

And Honda's stock price didn't go down because they were "under stating" it (NSX-R). When Mazda "over stated" the HP of RX8, their stock went down due to unhappy customers and law suits. No one is going to sue a company for giving them more. And under rating HP is practice that has been done since the muscle car days.

Magazine is where "most" people get the information. That is why there is magazines. I am glad that you are fortunate enough to be able to drive all the great cars to have first person view, but most people are not able to do so.

 

It's adjustable, technically speaking, but he elaborated on what he meant, which is it cant be tuned for the track it's on with various settings. Nothing like a real C/O setup.


It's nothing that's a big deal, a truly adjustable setup is customizeable, and not just generic settings. At least what's considered by many on the track. If you say I have an adjustable suspension and how them the butons in your car, you'll get laughed at.

The car manufacturers are getting close,but they dont want the drivers having too much control over the handling of the car.

 

1/4 in a Porsche =

 

 

i can agree that

 

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Nissan is doing better compared to what? When it was about to go bankrupt? Nissan is doing better in relation to where it was before Renault bought it. It was on the brink of bankruptcy. It is all relative. Today, they are struggling as a major auto manufacturer in relation to it's competitors.

What does Apple or Lexus have anythintg to do with this subject? You are referring to rumors of products being launched. This product is already launched. I am not dicounting the fact that rumors can impact stock price, but we are dealing with official statements that have been made by Nissan. It's not the first time an auto manufacturer has put forth claims later found to be incorrect.

BTW... It wasn't ths NSX-R I was referring to. It was with the main Honda lineup sold in the U.S. Dealers had to replace exsisting window stickers at the time. Honda fessed up to the mistake to it's owners. The stock price did not change......

Don't even start about Lexus and it's Japan launch. I know it very well. I am in the Lexus business. It's not the rumor of Lexus launching in Japan that made the Toyota stock go up. It was the financial performance of Toyota that has propelled it's stock price for the last 15 years.... BTW. Lexus is not a separate stock. It's traded under the Toyota umbrella. Thought I should educate you on that.

You need to learn a bit more on the stock market and the fluctuations in the prices of equities my friend. Apple had a run up to almost $200 after the financial results of many successful quarters. It corrected itself as speculators moved out of the stock during the recent market downturn that was lead by the credit crunch and negative sentiment in the marketplace. Not beacuse it delayed the announcement of the 3G iPhone. That shows just how simplistic you are in your observations.

It has now run up again to the $190 range. How do I know all this? Because I own a nice little chunk of Apple stock. As you can see, I don't make claims on things I have no first hand knowledge of. Rumors may impact trade volume or price for very short periods of time. However, it does not last. Finish school and then come play with the big boys...

Also, I am not fortunate enough to drive all the great cars in the world. I wish I was. I am however fortunate enough to have owned several of the great cars available to us. I can tell you out of first hand experience about each car. Something you cannot do. You are absolutely correct that most people only experience these cars from magazines. Understood. That being said, don't act like you know everything about these cars and take whats written in magazines as gospel.

 

Wow, you look like a dumbass dude. You can't even recall who all you have argued with on here as it wasn't me that suggested they were cheating about the ring times nor did I ever state anything related to the fact they were cheating to get the times they did. LOL... it was another member here and you just showed your ignorance. LOL

Again, you have me mixed up with another member here that stated the above and it is very entertaining that you are so mixed up in being a GT-R Fanboy trolling the boards that you have forgotten who has typed what. Very very funny! LOL

I have stated facts that I had read as you said you have done and now you're playing dumb asking me to hold your little hand and walk you through it, again! I thought you were all about knowing everything about this car... if so you would know what I was referring to in how they got their times with the GT-R. I suggest you first go back and get your facts straight on who stated what about the cheating. I then suggest you might want to keep reading about the GT-R because you are well behind with your information if you can’t explain what I have asked you 3 times now.