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So basically you are saying that they had an adjustable coilover suspension on the car that they represent as "stock" GTR. Stock GTR's suspension is non-adjustable and has 3 modes (comfort, sport and R). You cannot "tweak" it for the Nurburgring. You say yourself that the car was specifically tuned for optimal performance on the Nurburgrind, but that does not make it a "stock GTR". Besides the suspension, it is clear that that particular GTR had other mods and most likely well over 600hp. Stock GTR is the one you buy at a dealership, not the one that you spend thousands of hours testing and "tweaking" for optimal performance for a particular circuit 
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You continue to amaze me with your lack of knowledge and common sense on the matter. Don't you realize that Nissan has even been quoted as saying that they will be making continuing changes and modifications, to further improve the performance of the GT-R in all aspects throughout its model life? Something similar as to what Porsche is doing with the addition of the Direct Fuel Injections and DSG transmissions, to turn them into 997.5 spec, I assume? I don't see Porsche fans crying about those new revolations lol. Neither would I. Competition is a good thing for the consumer. Duh. The 7:38 was achieved with the same spec chassis as the first round, or run of JDM production GT-R's to hit the Asian streets. Through Nissan's continuing Ring testing and development they were able to improve upon the GT-R's qualities, in both performance around the Ring, and in ride quality with the use of less shock absorber dampening, and stiffer springs, along with modifcations to the engine and transmission mounting. With the changes I just mentioned, and improvements to track conditions, Nissan achieved 7:29. These changes were immediately carried over to the production line, meaning all cars coming off the production line at the moment are to the chassis spec that was capable of 7:29. The only difference between the test car and current production vehicle being; the additions of testing and video equipment, along with a roll bar and racing harness. Nothing to improve the vehicles peformance around the Ring, but to rather improve the drivers safety and control. Please show me evidence or clues that clearly shows that Nissan was cheating, or using a 600hp GT-R as you like to claim. Quite trying so hard! I'd like to see you sit down with Nissan's Chief Engineer, and try telling him such a thing with confidence lol.
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Well, since you're wondering for whatever reason, here you go. My particular KNOWLEDGE of the GT-R comes from various automotive and GT-R related forums, which obviously collect a large variety of GT-R media material and intellect. It's amazing what you can learn on the internet if you really read in dephtly, and with understanding. Some information just can't replace real life situations, but you should able to use your better judement in a lot of case, through experiences and knowledge that you have had in your life. In terms of general automotive experience and knowledge, my so to speak automotive IQ is way up there...I would hope lol.
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Well, since you're wondering for whatever reason, here you go. My particular KNOWLEDGE of the GT-R comes from various automotive and GT-R related forums, which obviously collect a large variety of GT-R media material and intellect. It's amazing what you can learn on the internet if you really read in dephtly, and with understanding. Some information just can't replace real life situations, but you should able to use your better judement in a lot of case, through experiences and knowledge that you have had in your life. In terms of general automotive experience and knowledge, my so to speak automotive IQ is way up there...I would hope lol.
From my knowledge, you own a Mustang right? So you get in some track time... A lot of us do. Big deal.... A lot of us do. But you are no Schumacher my friend... nor am I.
You don't own either the 997tt or the GTR. I don't see how you are such a credible authority on the topic.
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What do you mean don't question you? What credibility do you have that I can't question your automotive knowledge? It just seems that you attack many of the long time board members and question their automotive knowledge. Most of your posts have been on the GTR forums. Why do you insist on coming to a Porsche forum and consistently question the automotive knowledge of the members on this board and attack the 997tt?
From my knowledge, you own a Mustang right? So you get in some track time... A lot of us do. Big deal.... A lot of us do. But you are no Schumacher my friend... nor am I.
You don't own either the 997tt or the GTR. I don't see how you are such a credible authority on the topic.
From my knowledge, you own a Mustang right? So you get in some track time... A lot of us do. Big deal.... A lot of us do. But you are no Schumacher my friend... nor am I.
You don't own either the 997tt or the GTR. I don't see how you are such a credible authority on the topic.
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Don't you realize that Nissan has even been quoted as saying that they will be making continuing changes and modifications, to further improve the performance of the GT-R in all aspects throughout its model life? Something similar as to what Porsche is doing with the addition of the Direct Fuel Injections and DSG transmissions, to turn them into 997.5 spec, I assume?
As I see it, you're here (as another pointed out) to give members a hard time with your so called acts of "GT-R all knowing". Also, I am finding your quotes more and more funny, especially the one you use and have continued to use over and over... you know, the "you are so un-informed" one?
I just read a GT-R put down 475 to the wheels on a dyno in Japan? 475 to the wheels with that CI engine with only 10 pounds of boost? Knowing a few things about restriction and taking their CI V6 and a lot of people are going to be pissed off when their cars don’t meet some of the tainted numbers pushed out. This car should have been called a G35X-R.
Since you’re all knowing, please explain to me why they stated their way about getting the numbers they did? I would love to hear it. By the way, this is the second time I have asked you.
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What's your deal with me? Who have I attacked on this forum, other than ignorant members lacking in depth knowledge of automotive or GT-R related matter, not to mention, they are the ones to usually attack my view from the get go. They think they can somehow claim that a lap time is a lie, using some lame power to weight ratio theory, or some other wack or worn out excuse. Also, I have NEVER outright attacked any Porsche on here, as you claim. I love Porsches. I have just stood up for the GT-R...why I do so at times, I don't know. It's kind of like this pitty argument we have going, why are we wasting our times? What does me owning a 997TT or GT-R have to do with me being able to have the knowledge to prove that Nissan's ring times aren't fraudelent, as some people on here like to claim, even though they are the ones who are guilty of not doing enough research. And it's quite obvious. It's kind of like watching someone trying to learn to confidently speak a foreign language, without studying the language. I hope that makes sense to you.
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Of course 3 modes is non-adjustable. You cannot tweak that to a particular circuit, the only think you can do is make the ride a little stiffer or softer. You cannot customize spring rates, compression dampening, camber angles, rebound angles. All you can do with stock GTR is change between three preset spring settings, that is not customizing suspension
I have something beneficial to add... how is it upgrading the 997 for the start of a yearly model by adding DI and a long awaited PDK have anything to do and or even vastly compare to what they have continued to do with the GT-R? You’re above quote is pathetic, especially trying to compare it to the tailoring of the GT-R and their daily upgrades and tweaks and upgrade suspension mods for quick track times.
As I see it, you're here (as another pointed out) to give members a hard time with your so called acts of "GT-R all knowing". Also, I am finding your quotes more and more funny, especially the one you use and have continued to use over and over... you know, the "you are so un-informed" one?
I just read a GT-R put down 475 to the wheels on a dyno in Japan? 475 to the wheels with that CI engine with only 10 pounds of boost? Knowing a few things about restriction and taking their CI V6 and a lot of people are going to be pissed off when their cars don’t meet someone of the tainted numbers pushed out. This car should have been called a G35X-R.
Since you’re all knowing, please explain to me why they stated their way about getting the numbers they did? I would love to hear it. By the way, this is the second time I have asked you.
As I see it, you're here (as another pointed out) to give members a hard time with your so called acts of "GT-R all knowing". Also, I am finding your quotes more and more funny, especially the one you use and have continued to use over and over... you know, the "you are so un-informed" one?
I just read a GT-R put down 475 to the wheels on a dyno in Japan? 475 to the wheels with that CI engine with only 10 pounds of boost? Knowing a few things about restriction and taking their CI V6 and a lot of people are going to be pissed off when their cars don’t meet someone of the tainted numbers pushed out. This car should have been called a G35X-R.
Since you’re all knowing, please explain to me why they stated their way about getting the numbers they did? I would love to hear it. By the way, this is the second time I have asked you.
I agree with you 100%. Tweaking a car to a particular circuit and making changes throughout a product lifecycle are two totally different things
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I have something beneficial to add... how is it upgrading the 997 for the start of a yearly model by adding DI and a long awaited PDK have anything to do and or even vastly compare to what they have continued to do with the GT-R? All Nissan did was make a few adjustments for the U.S. spec models during further Ring testing, and decided to carry over these changes to worldwide production models immediately. From now on, changes will be done on a MY bases, like what Porsche is waiting to do, when they add the PDK and DFI to their line ups. Please quit blowing everything out of porportion to try and prove a point. You’re above quote is pathetic, especially trying to compare it to the tailoring of the GT-R and their daily upgrades and tweaks and upgrade suspension mods for quick track times. Daily tweaks? Give me a break. Bottom line, all these modifications (that possibly improve official Ring times) WILL be carried over to production REGARDLESS of your lame excuses. If you want to use this excuse as evidence of Nissan cheating, fine be it, I won't waste my time arguing with you any further. Lame.
As I see it, you're here (as another pointed out) to give members a hard time with your so called acts of "GT-R all knowing". Also, I am finding your quotes more and more funny, especially the one you use and have continued to use over and over... you know, the "you are so un-informed" one? It's not my fault people are un-informed. That just seems to be the case around here.
I just read a GT-R put down 475 to the wheels on a dyno in Japan? 475 to the wheels with that CI engine with only 10 pounds of boost? Knowing a few things about restriction and taking their CI V6 and a lot of people are going to be pissed off when their cars don’t meet some of the tainted numbers pushed out. This car should have been called a G35X-R. What the hell are you jibbing about now? Tainted numbers? First of all, it's well known that Motortrend put down 430 awhp on a dynojet with the GT-R. According to Nissan's engineers, the GT-R only has a 10% parasitic power loss through the drivetrain, which would put it right around 480 flywhel hp, which is inline with Nissans flywheel claims and dynojet numbers. Here's a source since you don't have one: http://blogs.motortrend.com/6247428/new-cars/nissan-360-day-1-things-ive-learned/index.html Maybe that will help inform you, like I've been bantering. Oh wait, that source may not be good enough for you.
Since you’re all knowing, please explain to me why they stated their way about getting the numbers they did? I would love to hear it. By the way, this is the second time I have asked you.
As I see it, you're here (as another pointed out) to give members a hard time with your so called acts of "GT-R all knowing". Also, I am finding your quotes more and more funny, especially the one you use and have continued to use over and over... you know, the "you are so un-informed" one?
It's not my fault people are un-informed. That just seems to be the case around here.I just read a GT-R put down 475 to the wheels on a dyno in Japan? 475 to the wheels with that CI engine with only 10 pounds of boost? Knowing a few things about restriction and taking their CI V6 and a lot of people are going to be pissed off when their cars don’t meet some of the tainted numbers pushed out. This car should have been called a G35X-R. What the hell are you jibbing about now? Tainted numbers? First of all, it's well known that Motortrend put down 430 awhp on a dynojet with the GT-R. According to Nissan's engineers, the GT-R only has a 10% parasitic power loss through the drivetrain, which would put it right around 480 flywhel hp, which is inline with Nissans flywheel claims and dynojet numbers. Here's a source since you don't have one: http://blogs.motortrend.com/6247428/new-cars/nissan-360-day-1-things-ive-learned/index.html Maybe that will help inform you, like I've been bantering. Oh wait, that source may not be good enough for you.
Since you’re all knowing, please explain to me why they stated their way about getting the numbers they did? I would love to hear it. By the way, this is the second time I have asked you.
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Wow, this is ridiculous! What motivates someone other than insecurity and a incredible lack of anything else to do to log onto a site primarily for a car they do not own and argue with members that do? Especially for a car they do not own themselves no less!!!
William Shatner yelling at Trekkies comes to mind... "hey GTR fans... yeah you... you must be almost 20... have you even kissed a girl?"
Okay, lets save time...
Yes you are bigger car fans than us...
Yes we are idiots for buying Porsches...
Yes you know way more about cars than us and your knowledge is awe inspiring...
Yes... we are indeed elitists...
Feel better?
William Shatner yelling at Trekkies comes to mind... "hey GTR fans... yeah you... you must be almost 20... have you even kissed a girl?"
Okay, lets save time...
Yes you are bigger car fans than us...
Yes we are idiots for buying Porsches...
Yes you know way more about cars than us and your knowledge is awe inspiring...
Yes... we are indeed elitists...
Feel better?
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10% through a DSG and AWD vehicle. LOL... I don't know what is more funny, finding someone actually believing this or them really trying to push this drivertrain loss.
Not to mention your lame reply to me regarding my statement of daily tweaks was very impressive.
I forgot you are onsite helping them with this car. So the car is coming with a coilover setup as well? I feel more dumb arguing with you knowing you are reading everything, believing it all, and telling others they are un-informed. Very very funny! I would about bet money you're a bench racer with your Mustang.
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