Edmunds 911 Turbo BEATS GT-R 0-60, 1/4 Mile
#46
05-08-2008, 08:05 AM
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The cars are also not running the same tires contrary to popular opinion. The rules are that all tires must come from the Tire Rack. The GTR is running stock RE070 runflats rather than the sticker stock Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires.
http://www.gtrblog.com/index.php/200...lts-upd?blog=4
http://www.gtrblog.com/index.php/200...lts-upd?blog=4
#47
05-08-2008, 08:17 AM
LOL, you think you're clever dont you, I already know who you are. You tried this act last time you got reinstated, but not clever enough not to exhibit the same tendencies in your posts. Funny how everytime and arguementative fanboys dissappears, a new one arrives, prepare to get banned Z07. You'd better be smart enough to have a different IP, because you're about to get banned yet again. Funny how determined you are to post here, it's pathetic. MPD FTL.
Either way You cant read, Mid America, CMP and Beaver Run are all wilson tracks in case you cant read the schedule either. And since when is a kink like a regular road? And where is there a kink on tsukuba?
Either way You cant read, Mid America, CMP and Beaver Run are all wilson tracks in case you cant read the schedule either. And since when is a kink like a regular road? And where is there a kink on tsukuba?
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05-08-2008, 08:28 AM
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Not to mention, the RE070's are not an dissavantage in the stickyness department. You wont find anyone else running them because they are an import tire and specifically work good on import (japanese for the literally challenged) awd cars. Not to mention the GT-R has tires especially developed FOR IT, that have a much lower treadwear rating, which 9 times out of ten when its a complete 80 point difference in treadwear, means the lower rated tire will be much stickier. The softness ofthe compound isnt all that far from being R rated. The stiffer sidewalls are much more beneficial for a car like the GT-R anyways and track driving in general.
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05-08-2008, 08:39 AM
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Rep Power: 27 Not to mention, the RE070's are not an dissavantage in the stickyness department. You wont find anyone else running them because they are an import tire and specifically work good on import (japanese for the literally challenged) awd cars. Not to mention the GT-R has tires especially developed FOR IT, that have a much lower treadwear rating, which 9 times out of ten when its a complete 80 point difference in treadwear, means the lower rated tire will be much stickier. The softness ofthe compound isnt all that far from being R rated. The stiffer sidewalls are much more beneficial for a car like the GT-R anyways and track driving in general.
#50
05-08-2008, 09:17 AM
LOL, you think you're clever dont you, I already know who you are. You tried this act last time you got reinstated, but not clever enough not to exhibit the same tendencies in your posts. Funny how everytime and arguementative fanboys dissappears, a new one arrives, prepare to get banned Z07. You'd better be smart enough to have a different IP, because you're about to get banned yet again. Funny how determined you are to post here, it's pathetic. MPD FTL.
Either way You cant read, Mid America, CMP and Beaver Run are all wilson tracks in case you cant read the schedule either. And since when is a kink like a regular road? And where is there a kink on tsukuba?
Either way You cant read, Mid America, CMP and Beaver Run are all wilson tracks in case you cant read the schedule either. And since when is a kink like a regular road? And where is there a kink on tsukuba?
You guys provide great entertainment ...
#52
05-08-2008, 10:03 AM
As for your 700hp claims... I will believe when I see. Everything with the GT-R is all bench racing and speculation so far. Within a year the true story will surface. I'd keep it in your pants until then.
And quit bringing up after market. This is about stock-stock. Aftermarket is a WHOLE new can of worms, that NONE of the new cars have tapped yet. You need atleast 5+years before solid really good tuning setups are out and proven. Until it shows up when it COUNTS, your speaking out of your ***. IT MAY be as good as claims, the Z06 was, but I highly doubt it will be.
#53
05-08-2008, 11:26 AM
Hello......my 1st post here (obviously!)
Here are links to some new Best Motoring videos of 6sp manual TT with Ceramics but non-cup tyres vs GTR, LP640, Exige S and SL Gallardo. Its at a much more open track than the normal Tsukuba.
From what I can see:
1) Clearly the 997 turbo is faster in a straight line. In fact even the LP 640 has a hard time passing the turbo
2) The turbo seems to be driven competently. The driver was handicapped by big understeer but was not wasting time with driving sideways.
3) The GTR looks very stable in direction changes.
My opinion: The GTR was built by Nissan to purely chase numbers and get headlines. They have clearly hit the target!! It is pointless to compare it with anything on the market because the car is so clearly focused on numbers. The front engine, 4wd and trick transmission gives it so much stability that it allows the engineers to equip it with super aggressive tyres plus super stiff suspension and still allow it to be useable on the road.
No point for turbo owners to be hung up on it. Porsche could easily focus on the numbers alone and build a faster car....but they didn't. Its because they wanted to build a nicer one... Tolerable ride comfort, more easily available tyres, good road feel..... that's important to them. The laptime is just a byproduct and not the focus of their engineering. If laptimes are so important to an owner of a road car (strikes me as odd), then just slap some full on race coilovers plus bushings, roll bars and semi-slicks and you will be just as quick......but it probably won't be as nice a car to own and will definetely mean less sales for Porsche. They know their market better than anyone.
I guess the real question should be would anyone buy a GTR over the 997 turbo if the turbo was the same price as the GTR??? I am pretty sure of the answer to this
Videos:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2J7tI77tEo
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCOXTuxb_oY
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK96ijHYi1Y
Here are links to some new Best Motoring videos of 6sp manual TT with Ceramics but non-cup tyres vs GTR, LP640, Exige S and SL Gallardo. Its at a much more open track than the normal Tsukuba.
From what I can see:
1) Clearly the 997 turbo is faster in a straight line. In fact even the LP 640 has a hard time passing the turbo
2) The turbo seems to be driven competently. The driver was handicapped by big understeer but was not wasting time with driving sideways.
3) The GTR looks very stable in direction changes.
My opinion: The GTR was built by Nissan to purely chase numbers and get headlines. They have clearly hit the target!! It is pointless to compare it with anything on the market because the car is so clearly focused on numbers. The front engine, 4wd and trick transmission gives it so much stability that it allows the engineers to equip it with super aggressive tyres plus super stiff suspension and still allow it to be useable on the road.
No point for turbo owners to be hung up on it. Porsche could easily focus on the numbers alone and build a faster car....but they didn't. Its because they wanted to build a nicer one... Tolerable ride comfort, more easily available tyres, good road feel..... that's important to them. The laptime is just a byproduct and not the focus of their engineering. If laptimes are so important to an owner of a road car (strikes me as odd), then just slap some full on race coilovers plus bushings, roll bars and semi-slicks and you will be just as quick......but it probably won't be as nice a car to own and will definetely mean less sales for Porsche. They know their market better than anyone.
I guess the real question should be would anyone buy a GTR over the 997 turbo if the turbo was the same price as the GTR??? I am pretty sure of the answer to this
Videos:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2J7tI77tEo
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCOXTuxb_oY
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK96ijHYi1Y
#55
05-08-2008, 02:14 PM
not at the hubs, at the crank TrickyDick/Deity/Z07. I already explained that to you. TCF of 1.1 includes a correction factor of 10% for driveline losses, and even then it was on a Dynapak.
#57
05-08-2008, 03:17 PM
131 BHP from ECU and Exhaust.
Where's the BS flag at on 6speed? If the ECU consists of adding 4 to 5 pounds of boost then a so called ECU might fly but if not... I'm still looking for that flag just in case. I'll just leave it at that because leaning it out adding some timing with some octane will not get you 80 to 90 HP to the wheels... not on the same boost level.
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05-08-2008, 03:21 PM
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This Z07 dude is obsessed. Sad Sad individual.
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Dammit dude, give it up already, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!!!!!!
As quick as Scott can ban him, he's back again.