Agree. But my perspective is that those sponsors who tend to act passive aggressively can and should come to their own defense when the post is dealing with real issues. I suspect there is history here, but no one called anyone a name, no one brought it to a personal level. It just seems moderators should get involved when a clear line has been passed (i.e. personal or whatever moderators believe it should be) and in this case, I don't believe anyone has. Actually if there was anyone who was looking to start anything, it was Todd, but I guess we already covered that earlier.

I enjoy (and agree) with many of your posts Chad so this is of course not personal. Just my opinion.

 

joe,

Just to set the record straight. PD did not mock up my motor for two years. During that time we changed the displacement three times and I have the spare parts to prove it. With the final displacement of 4.4L we were having problems and I moved the mock up to PD. Neil had the issue resolved in a couple of months. Neil did a great job and it would not be fair to tag him with the 4.4L issues.

On to the spacer. It wasn't a 2" spacer. It was a 2mm spacer. The spacer was the idea of S Car Go. Neil did not believe it would work and he was right. He provided three alternatives and I chose one.

Now back to m42racer. Joe, without going further, Simon is very much up to date with these motors. Looking at the above discussion, it is plain to see that there is not a meeting of the minds. Take the 20 hours for instance. I saw this coming. m42racer is correct about 20 hours on a 1000 hp motor driven ten tens. I could have predicted Todd response to the same thing and he is also correct. See what I mean by the meeting of the minds.

I've said it before and I am going to say it again. Everyone needs to put the word "respect" up front. They also need to keep in mind that it isn't the end of the world to make a mistake.

I would so much love to see all the major tuners, Swizter included OhioGT2, be on this form answering questions in a respectful way. Actually, it isn't the tuners for the most part that cause the flares. it is their loyal following.

 

Jamie,

Remember earlier when I said sometimes people do not give all the information because of secrets or various reasons? If you noticed earlier when I showed two pics of EVOMS springs I said, "I understand what you are doing." I said what I said because I didn't want to possibly reveal something that might have been held dearly by EVOMS.

I will give you another example. People are jumping down EVO's throat about the caps on the valve stems. I heard their response. Now how many know that Porsche for the tt's and the GT3's use several different types of tappets? They all have different dimensions. That means when you mix and match you have to use different stem lengths or use caps to make things work.

I'll take it a step farther, a couple years ago neither Manley nor Forea made both the intake and the exhaust valves in the valve widths that were desirable. You had to use one maker on the intake and the other on the exhaust. Now if you wanted to use different stem widths another issue popped up. Again one manufacturer would and the other would not make these items in particular size. If you mixed and matched tappets you could in some cases have the manufacturer change the length of the stems for the particular tappet. If not and they were close you could use caps.

Now do you see where EVOMS ay be coming from? Believe me, it wasn't that they did not know what they were doing. I have not talked to them at all about any of this, however I do know they have been down the same road that I have. I could go into the other points mentioned, from what I know there is a logical explanation that would reveal things that are not common knowledge to all.

I hope the above helps out in people's understanding of the complexities involved and stop rushing to the conclusion that many don't know what they are talking about.

I say all this with due respect to all.

 

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Back on topic.

Todd,

I have not seen a wastegate piped and located the way it is in the above pics. Frankly I can't see exactly where it is attached to.

What is the theory or reason for this?

 

Since this has now become a much more interesting thread….here is my take on all the 'secret Porsche" stuff - personally, I think it's a money making scheme to pay for the expensive overhead by poor (not literally of course) customers who aren't experienced enough to push back and ask the right questions. It's one thing for a shop to try to out-engineer Porsche on their own cars. So I'm not sure whether it's out of arrogance, the finite opportunity these shops see to make more money, or a combination of both, that prompts charging this customer for stuff that isn't needed. I believe there is a fair argument that these same shops are far behind some other platform shops as far as 'tried and true' aftermarket motor building/assembly techniques goes….and could take a lesson in getting the fundamentals right before trying to get too trick here.<O</O

I also say all this with due respect to all.

 

It seems like a lot of people coming to EVOMS defense to me. This is purely my observation based on reading this thread. Then again it always seems like it's the same people coming to EVOMS defense now that I think about it. I'll add that I have nothing against EVOMS at all.

 

[quote=m42racer;2634076]If I came across how you suggest, it is how you took it.

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Right.....its my faultBTW i also loved your expert diagnosis on the tuning of Art's car after hearing it make one pass on video.....That was classic!

 

You have brought up an interesting point. I believe there use to be a lot more money made when "everything" was top secret so to say. The basic meat and potato's are no longer so. The secret's have moved up the line to the 900 hp and above motor's. Money making scheme? Someone has discovered something that allows them to make these cars faster. Yes, it does allow them to charge a lot more if no one else is aware of what it is. Once the cat is out of the bag so to say, prices come down to reasonable markups. The unfair side of this is many times what was originally learned cost the originator a lot of money that once it becomes common knowledge, he loses the ability to recoup the costs. An example, when no one had worked with the intake cams we spent tens of thousands of dollars designing and manufacturing our own cams. Even with all this money we would have never got to first base without information shared with us by Loren Beggs of 911 Design. We shared information and soon after cam variations started to appear. It is not a business for us, however for many it is and they need to recoup costs. There are many people in this business who love to copy or slightly change someone else discoveries. Even worse is, they attempt to take credit for an idea or they just do not acknowledge whose idea it really was. Please understand I am not accusing anyone in this post of doing this. I am stating how I see things and why certain things are not disclosed by those making a living in this business.

I use to try and do everything myself, with my own team. I soon learned that often times it is better (less expensive) to let others take the lead and learn what you can from them. I have learned to get along with almost everyone. You can pick and choose what you want that way.

 

no, thats why I'm asking. lag like someone mentioned is one thing but problem with too much gases should be a second issue in my opinion....
did you test it?
I have tested this set up.

 

We have tested this same setup many times. We port the wastegate gases on the turbine housing because we found it to allow better boost regulation. Though the FLOW direction of the port is not perfect, from a "text book" sense, it works perfect.

The porting of the wastegate in the picture you have attached looks good in terms of flow direction. Some may say that the location is not ideal because it is not after the merge. All that matters is that it does what it was intended to do. Cheers!

 

ok

 

Have ur tuner or any Euro tuner share tech info on public forum?? HELL NO!!

Why u r keep asking tech Q to Todd and u r always talk **** on U.S tuners?? It is look like ur tuner can't build fast cars and u r keep asking to get info to make u r tuner learn more

See ya Mr-9 EFF EFF!!

 

sure

 

do you know that one of the greatest U.S porsche tuner is working with german ecu programer?
I think that nothing is wrong with it.