It is sad to see that people are overyly obsessed with big hp numbers on paper they don't know how to use. The cars with the highest hp numbres don't always win races.

Just enjoy what you have for now. Allow yourself more time to do the research and add mods along the way.

 

As a matter of fact:

Alois Ruf has always hated talking about hp numbers and never ever used to give out dyno curves until he was hounded and hounded by customers. Remember the first curve he gave out ? It was for the Yellowbird and is available in poster form - 469PS DIN.....
The Yellowbird with adjustable boost turned up runs nearer 500PS to make its 213mph top speed.

Ruf always quotes the lowest hp numbers you will see from his signed off "kits" the dyno charts which he was forced to show in the last few years will be the minimum you will get from whatever kit he sells you (unless your engine has some other problem)

This is the way Ruf is and why the story used to circulate about Pfaffenhausen horses being bigger than everyone elses !

He tests all of his kits to maximum speed on the Autobahn relentlessly - does anyone really think a Mustang dyno "tune" will be as resolved as this ?

 

I personally think if you are trying to win races with a turbo, you haven't bought the right car. That's what cars like the GT-2 and GT-3 are for. You are right that hp don't always win races, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of GT-2/turbo owners don't spend their time at a track. The risk of things going wrong are multiplied in a track setting than a street one where your only focus is to go straight. So as far as this discussion goes, high hp talk is appropriate because the OP made it clear what his objectives were with the car. Some of you might find this disgraceful, but there are a few of us that find this cool!

 

I'll take acceleration over speed anyday! Yes there is no doubt about RUF's impeccable work, but it comes at a cost. Whether it's worth it or not depends on the what the owner will use the car for. Personally, no matter what the usage, I don't think the price justifies the performance attained. You could bring up other cars, but at the end of the day RUF cars are tuned versions of production cars with a new vin.

 

No doubt there is a "Ruf Tax" but do not underestimate the cost of building the engines to withstand top speed runs - not just a 25s mile drag, but holding the thing WOT for up to a minute, this is where your 60-130 Mustang queen will run into heat issues - pure overkill for some markets but the side effect as has been pointed out is that these engines will carry on delivering their hp in the heat of the track....

 

So are you implying that no other tuner is capable of building a reliable motor? Believe me chap, drag racing has been an American pastime and we know how to build strong motors. I can tell you right now, with the R and D in this industry, it will cost no where near the "RUF TAX" to build an equivalent motor.

 

Of course Porsche turbo race engine builders exist in the US and I'm sure they know the limits of these engines as well as builders from any other country, but tuners tune for their market and there isn't a market for engines which remain relatively reliable for 30s 200+mph runs on pump fuel - which involves low boost and lots of pricey shiny pieces

Take a look at AdamT using his Ruf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wumlt9GtBLg
http://www.youtube.com/user/adamctr

 

For street racing,Moded Turbo or GTR might be a better choice for sure. GT2 would be better if you only do really high speed racing,and you can keep it from going off the road.

Even a lightly moded TT with just racing tires is very competitive on many tracks, It is also relatively easy to drive,got tons of grip on racing tires. It is just so forgiving and easy to put the power down.and they often embarrassing guys with GT3 and GT3RS. They work surprisingly well on tracks. Even at stock or stage 1 power level,TT has the upper hand on power and acceleration. It can be a deadly contestant in the right hands because it is a very capable car with just a few tweaks.

GT2 is actually a very track-oriented machine that you can also drive on street everyday. Maybe not all turbo owners would track their cars,but most GT2 owners I knew track their cars unless they are too old or too scary to do so.

 

Crickets...

 

I don't know what that is supposed to mean. If I ever have time I'll put it on my to do list. Some of us have quite busy lives between work and family.

 

Looking forward to it. Thanks.

 

Do you have a dyno of your GIAC tune before and after dyno tweaks?

 

^^^^The dyno was posted a long time ago -- you participated and asked questions in the thread. Please don't play games with me.
You kept asking me to "let it go," why, AGAIN, stray from the topic at heart? Don't you think our exchange has more than outlived its usefulness?

If you want to start a dyno discussion, please start another thread and ask ALL with dynos to post. I will join. But remember how good or how bad one's dyno is, someone will still ask, what about the 60-130 time, right?

Please note again, my one and only point has been, if you make a claim, back it up with data. Not once have I put down the quality of Ruf, or any tuner, or claim how superior my car is.

 

Not quite yet...

You don't have any timeslips before or after your tune.

You have no datalogs before or after your tune.

You don't have any dynos comparing before or after your dyno tweaks.

You demand data other people's claims, call out others to backup their statements.

You call me naive for my beliefs, and have nothing to support your statement:

"I will state however, that a custom tune will llikely have more power than a pre-packaged tune, meaning yours could very possibly be less powerful."

Now it has...Cheers

 

^^^
So you WERE playing games. Well, most, but not all of above is true. But I'll leave that for another time and discussion.
For now the key is... It's not my problem, because I did not make any claim, knowing I haven't got the data. How many times do I have to repeat this to you?

As far as the belief, yes it is quite naive to think that your car will duplicate the power or dyno curve of what is the perfect curve from a custom tune car. This may or may not be true. The reason is variation from car to car, and any variation from perfection (of the custom tune car) likely means imperfection, or less; I have written this before. Have you actually seen a dyno of any kind, or a custom tune being done before?
Please please I beg you to slow down, take a deep breath, please think for a second. My car was tuned at brand X's :-) shop. What do you think is the first thing they did before they started tuning? And what do you THINK they looked at when they were tuning? The car even had a temp probe coming out of its ***. LOL. Yes, I do think I have some datalogs before, after, and **during**. Ah never mind... I strayed. Let's leave that for the dyno discussion.

So again, Bob, which way do you want me to go, "let it go" or go? I am finding myself repeating a lot of the information.