Any other .1 owners NOT jonesing for the .2?
Any other .1 owners NOT jonesing for the .2?
Aside from my newly acquired daily driver/family hauler (B7 A4 Avant), I've been fortunate to have the most recent iteration of each vehicle I've owned. I know I would always yearn to have the 'latest and greatest' from 'X' manufacturer, whether or not it was truly a better car or not. Newer is always better, right?
Well, when I bought my new-to-me .1 from another member here, I indeed had the latest and greatest (turbo) Stuttgart had to offer. Now, with the .2 out, I was afraid I would get that inadequate feeling again....strangely....it never came. But why? It's faster in stock form, I do like the aesthetic changes: LED tailights, fogs, larger exhaust tips (but really, who keeps the stock tips anyway??
) Its got the fancy shmancy torque vectoring and a host of other electronic dohickey's that supposedly make it a 'better' car.
So why don't I pine over the .2 like I would any other 'new' model?
1) Flippy-flappy PDK. Seems like such a waste to get this car without it. But I dislike any dual clutch or sequential gearbox. Granted, I've never driven a PDK, but I really have no desire to either. I owned an SMG car for 3 years. Great during the 1st year and a 1/2...then it was...well....boring. Yeah, yeah. PDK is 'different.' Well, anyway you cut it, it's still a paddle shift car.
2) 3.8 DFI vs 3.6. The latter is a race-proven bulletproof platform. While the 3.8 may crank out more power, I just feel like from what I've read here and elsewhere, it was an engine of compromise. We don't know it's limits yet, but I can't see how it could surpass that of the 3.6 boxer.
3) Cost (well, sort of a reason). A well-optioned .2 can run well into the 170's+. While the economy and the dollar are world's apart compared to today and 3 years ago, I don't think I've ever seen a new .1 coupe that was stickered at more than 150-160 with virtually every box ticked (correct me if I'm wrong here). Can I afford a new .2? Heeellllll no. But even if depreciation hit tomorrow on a .2, I can honestly say I wouldn't even think about picking one up.
This is not meant to be a .2 bashing thread. It's a great piece of German engineering. Don't think anyone can argue that. But just like the diehard E39 M5'ers and introduction of the E60, I just don't think (at least in this case) newer is necessarily better anymore

Well, when I bought my new-to-me .1 from another member here, I indeed had the latest and greatest (turbo) Stuttgart had to offer. Now, with the .2 out, I was afraid I would get that inadequate feeling again....strangely....it never came. But why? It's faster in stock form, I do like the aesthetic changes: LED tailights, fogs, larger exhaust tips (but really, who keeps the stock tips anyway??
) Its got the fancy shmancy torque vectoring and a host of other electronic dohickey's that supposedly make it a 'better' car. So why don't I pine over the .2 like I would any other 'new' model?
1) Flippy-flappy PDK. Seems like such a waste to get this car without it. But I dislike any dual clutch or sequential gearbox. Granted, I've never driven a PDK, but I really have no desire to either. I owned an SMG car for 3 years. Great during the 1st year and a 1/2...then it was...well....boring. Yeah, yeah. PDK is 'different.' Well, anyway you cut it, it's still a paddle shift car.
2) 3.8 DFI vs 3.6. The latter is a race-proven bulletproof platform. While the 3.8 may crank out more power, I just feel like from what I've read here and elsewhere, it was an engine of compromise. We don't know it's limits yet, but I can't see how it could surpass that of the 3.6 boxer.
3) Cost (well, sort of a reason). A well-optioned .2 can run well into the 170's+. While the economy and the dollar are world's apart compared to today and 3 years ago, I don't think I've ever seen a new .1 coupe that was stickered at more than 150-160 with virtually every box ticked (correct me if I'm wrong here). Can I afford a new .2? Heeellllll no. But even if depreciation hit tomorrow on a .2, I can honestly say I wouldn't even think about picking one up.
This is not meant to be a .2 bashing thread. It's a great piece of German engineering. Don't think anyone can argue that. But just like the diehard E39 M5'ers and introduction of the E60, I just don't think (at least in this case) newer is necessarily better anymore
Last edited by bonehead; May 17, 2010 at 08:42 PM.
If I was in the market for a new/slightly used 997TT, I would probably go for the Gen 2, and bypass the Gen 1.
But, since I already own a Gen 1, to do such an "upgrade" would probably cost about 80k. 80k for the newer unproven 3.8 and the incremental increase in performance is not what I would do - not saying it's not worth it to some, but just not for me.
Instead, for the same 80K, I could pick up a third car....hell, why not another GT-R lol or whatever.
Maybe mod the hell out of it - Switzer P800 or some other tuner, and still have some money left over for future repairs/maintenance.
I'm content with my slightly modded 997TT.1
But, since I already own a Gen 1, to do such an "upgrade" would probably cost about 80k. 80k for the newer unproven 3.8 and the incremental increase in performance is not what I would do - not saying it's not worth it to some, but just not for me.
Instead, for the same 80K, I could pick up a third car....hell, why not another GT-R lol or whatever.
Maybe mod the hell out of it - Switzer P800 or some other tuner, and still have some money left over for future repairs/maintenance.
I'm content with my slightly modded 997TT.1
I'm in the same camp. I went strongly considering the 2010, but the discount on a "new" 2007 was just to persuasive, and the improvements just couldn't overcome the $75k price difference in my mind. The gains would only exist in my mind since I'm not going to be in any position to actually live out the difference. So I went and bought the Mrs. a nice pair of earings and pocketed enough money to put a kid through college LOL.

I'm surprised that most of the answers here are based purely on the price issue.
I already had the 997.1 and spent 19 months and thousands to make it in many ways better suited for me than the 997.2tt (stock). I wish my car had the upgraded PCM but that's not a priority for me.
I love PDK but instead of buying a new 997.2tt I bought a 997S when the discounts were so good that I now have both cars for what it would have cost me to trade in my car only to have 1 car (the Turbo S).
I actually get more sparked interest with the Gt3 orthe thoughts of buying an older porsche like a 993tt (but I am not buying anything) .
I have my cars .. intend to enjoy them .
I love PDK but instead of buying a new 997.2tt I bought a 997S when the discounts were so good that I now have both cars for what it would have cost me to trade in my car only to have 1 car (the Turbo S).
I actually get more sparked interest with the Gt3 orthe thoughts of buying an older porsche like a 993tt (but I am not buying anything) .
I have my cars .. intend to enjoy them .
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I'll take the .1 all day long and did just that for the reason that it's one of the very last quality high performance cars available in 6 speed. Not to mention one can easily add exhaust and tune as I did and be even if not better performing than the .2. Of course you can get the .2 in 6 speed, which I give credit for still offering it when most have aced it all together, but why drop the extra 70k for the .2 6 speed when you can spend less than half that on mods for a .1 and have a true super car that's not only reliable but tame to be driven every day. It's all personal preference but I totally agree about the absence of the desire to go .2 and I'm always the one who gets caught up in having the "current and best" generation.
Now, on the subject of the "proverbial dollars", what it all got down to for me is this; Is the new .2 Turbo $200 grand better than what ive got? Hmmmm welllll...nnnope! and It didnt take too much thinking to figure that one out. Ok, there's little doubt .2 is faster, more composed, and better in numerous ways, but thats not to say the .1 should be sneezed at as it is a formidable machine and more than most would ever be able to handle on a good day. Whilst for you guys over in the lucky country (USA) only need look for another 75k, 200k (in Aussie) is one hell of a lot of chaff to fork out just to move into an an upgraded model (keep up with the Jones's), which for that matter more or less looks physically identical needless to say a non P car owner wouldnt be able to pick the difference anyway.
Now if i didnt have one (a .1 that is) then it would be a totally different story completely and i'd be looking to somehow summons the strength to part with @490k drive away for a .2 with the right options. And on the slick new PDK, I would personally stick with the manual for the simple reason its not only what i would prefer but imo will prove to be the more interesting drive over the long run.
Last edited by speed21; May 17, 2010 at 11:10 PM.
I agree Bonehead. And I especially don't see getting rid of a low mileage, clean 997.1 and thinning the wallet quite a bit more to buy a car that, to the un-trained eye looks exactly the same. I like some of the new features as well, and maybe I'd spring if I didn't already have a .1, but I wouldn't trade up until a totally new body-style comes out. Just my opinion.
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I agree Bonehead. And I especially don't see getting rid of a low mileage, clean 997.1 and thinning the wallet quite a bit more to buy a car that, to the un-trained eye looks exactly the same. I like some of the new features as well, and maybe I'd spring if I didn't already have a .1, but I wouldn't trade up until a totally new body-style comes out. Just my opinion.
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One day I'll be ready to let go and sell it.
Not yet though.
I agree Bonehead. And I especially don't see getting rid of a low mileage, clean 997.1 and thinning the wallet quite a bit more to buy a car that, to the un-trained eye looks exactly the same. I like some of the new features as well, and maybe I'd spring if I didn't already have a .1, but I wouldn't trade up until a totally new body-style comes out. Just my opinion.
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no huge desire to upgrade. The only real reason for me would be PDK. And, i'm not even sure I'd want it. As far as performance goes, I think my slightly modded (tune, exhaust, bilstein's, and sways) would more than hold it's own vs. the .2
I was on porsche's website recently and duplicated my car as close as I could. 12K increase from what I paid. I have pretty high mileage (33k) so would probably get killed on selling mine, so I'd probably keep it and add something else to it. Adding a .2 makes no sense obviously, so maybe like larry said a 993TT or something like that. Ideally, I'd keep mine and add an F430 for kicks.
I know at some point i'll have to get something new - this car will be 3 years old next month which is a long time for me. I'm enjoing this car more than ever so i don't see it going anywhere anytime soon, just adding to it, if all goes well.
I was on porsche's website recently and duplicated my car as close as I could. 12K increase from what I paid. I have pretty high mileage (33k) so would probably get killed on selling mine, so I'd probably keep it and add something else to it. Adding a .2 makes no sense obviously, so maybe like larry said a 993TT or something like that. Ideally, I'd keep mine and add an F430 for kicks.
I know at some point i'll have to get something new - this car will be 3 years old next month which is a long time for me. I'm enjoing this car more than ever so i don't see it going anywhere anytime soon, just adding to it, if all goes well.
i'm keeping my modded Mezger GT1 block car, 700 plus reliable horsepower with a manual will always have a place in my heart. It is interesting the new GT2 RS has the same block. The 997.2 is sweet for sure, but I would want to see how the new block, new PDK tranny holds up after some abuse. They are both great cars, but different. Once off the line, it will be very hard to keep up with a well modded 997.1 car. I also owned the e39 m5, which I enjoyed driving more than the e60 variant. Only time will tell...





