I noticed that the APR official thread was locked (unjustifiable in my opinion) and since then no effort was made to get to the bottom of this...

Partially this can be contributed to the lack of motivation I believe (speed21 would not rest until some solid data came to light and was thus "pressing and chasing"), so now that is locked there is a lack of interest to analyze anything... (to be fair it is APR's turn to provide some data as per the mod that locked the thread) !


Pls feel free to comment here since we have nowhere else to write...

P.S. Last time I checked last week there was an APR equipped car that recorded some VBOX runs but could not find a long enough straight to pull 60-130mph times and could only reach 60-128 as per what Matt said... My opinion is that if this is a manual car the 128 (or even less) figure is where the rpm limiter for 4th kicked in and had to gear up thus destroying his overall 60-130mph time...

Could you pls show us the best 100-200km/h out of these runs? Surely this should be very easy and should have been provided from back mid last week when the other numbers were given to the public.

Many thanks
(just curious mostly - as I myself have seen the numbers for 100-200km.h for APR and 6speed car in mine back in fall)

 

You can roll your eyes as much as you want, but it was done with the permission of the original poster as the contributors had nothing better to do than squabble.

If you have something new (ie data) to add, PM me, and I will add it back on to the thread.

 

I was thinking the same thing and had just sent Matt a pm. The comments regarding APR's concepts/techniques towards tuning which were discussed at the end of the thread were very interesting and informative. Finally it appeared that individuals with an innate knowledge of APR's techniques spoke up. The boost issue was beat like a dead dog and things appeared a bit personal. I know that APR can not respond because they are not a sponser but it would be great to see " da numbers " from readers- Vbox, dyno pulls etc. I just hope they can be taken at face value without arguments regarding all the independent variables- accusations of truthfullness, fan placement, atmos. press., dyno type, temp. If boost is measured great if not so be it.

 

The rolling eyes was meant for the dead silence since you locked it... not for you locking it up... you just gave an excuse (if anyone needed it) and an easy way out ... that is what I said!

I can not have new data myself as I don't own such a tune I am afraid... so don;t expect a PM from me... I am merely a very intriqued potential customer that was asking for such proof even way back when noone there even heard of APR's achievements...

We were so close in at least getting those times and boost figures (according to Matt always) up until the moment it was locked. Hence the question in this new thread.

Many thanks

P.S. Out of curiosity where can someone squabble in here as you so delicately put it? It is fun most of the times if kept within limits...

 

It is curious why Matt did not post the Vbox data. Perhaps they did not like the numbers they saw and are repeating it. But I say, so what? Post the numbers anyhow. You will get some constructive feedback. Heck, I posted my first attempt at a 1/4 and it was nothing to be proud of. Granny shifter was the descriptive term. Who knows their reason for not posting data but I agree that the thread was becoming pretty useless and it was clearly irritating to those who had no interest for it to be in the forefront all the time.

 

I was genuinely interested in seeing how it performed. Don't care so much anymore though, but I hope the numbers will be provided just for closure on the topic. It may be a great tune and should be given a chance, but it's going to be hard b/c there are so many other great tunes already out there.

When I was first flipping through P magazines a number of years ago there was only Revo and Ruf (that I had heard of) and the prices were quite high. I'm really happy for the increased competition b/c prices are "reasonable" for a significant performance boost and the quality is very good.

 

As you all know i was pushing hard for answers....and rightly so...but for some APR fans, too hard it seems.

Madsex and others please understand that even i have a threshold to BS, justification and squabbling and once i started having certain members villify my probing it became obvious they had nothing. There were trolls also getting in on the act. So to be honest bbywu did every one a huge favour by kicking it squarely in the guts once and for all. Thanks bbywu.

Guys frankly if APR genuinley had anything worthwhile to back up any of their claims they could have quite easily provided it. Given their own development and testing of this tune it should have been no issue to have been able to draw from a raft of information providing supportive graphs charts etc instead provided zip and left Matthew at GMP and other diehard APR fans to fight for them.

And tclay now trying to have us all believe good info came in at the last minute....is this a joke? Speculative opinionated nonsense devoid of any quantitative or qualitative data is not good information in anyones book.

Bogg is quite correct in saying there are way too many other tune offerings out there in comparison to the APR tune that are able to provide solid answers upon questioning.

The manner in which APR squandered what was truly a golden opportunity to provide quality and solid answers was a clear indictment they had absolutely nothing tangible to work with, nor would ever be able to provide anything for that matter, hence all the evasive behavior.

Imho its time to put this APR tune topic to bed once and for all.

APR should either put up or shut up. Enough is enough!!

 

Well it statred off on decent grounds with Matt's Dyno on 6-11-10 and 1/4 slip. We had Skandalis 6.48 time and APR's indirect response- not a sponser and therefore cannot not directly comment. But still no additional data. The were good- constructive comments by Chris @USP, Madsex and Hotsauce. Then theres Bumperpip on pg 17 and , dsswain / leousm's comments on the last pages I found interesting, thoughtful and informative. But we still need numbers. 14k on a flawless APR tune, FVD exhaust and 1k on a SACHS 2.5- no issues and going VERY strong. I was interested in a possible intercooler upgrade but not turbos based on APR's adjustment on the VGT

 

Bob was going to close the thread regardless of my authorization although I agreed. It was starting to get off topic and as bob put it people started to squabble. I will start a new thread with more information that I have collected since it closed. It didn't close because our vbox data was not what we thought it would be. Fact is I don't own a 997TT so I have my client do it when when he is able. We lost about 2 weeks waiting for to come in. When I have the information I will post it. End of story. You don't need to speculate or assume that because we haven't posted it yet that the trap times must have been a failure. I find this very immature and childish and I will not tolerate it in my threads. So if you have something to say or ask regarding any of my threads, ask me in a professional manner and I will be glad to answer you. I will not respond to such remarks and your post will be deleted.

As for trap times feel free to enjoy our several quarter mile track times as I'm sure they are faster than any other ECU/Exhaust/intercooler combination on the market and possibly as fast as some that are running upgraded turbos.