They need to rent a wind tunnel somewhere and do some mods to make the car more aero to get to 250.

 

I have some real world news for you just to be honest.. his car right now is making NO WHERE EVEN CLOSE to 1200hp.. 900s at most right now..

2nd his car is 2700lbs.. and narrowbody..

3rd.. there is a LOT more to making a car run then peak HP.. Which was discussed here already.. Powerband and traction is everything.. Regardless what peoples theory is on 1 mile racing.. the 1st 1/4 mile effects more than 99% of people will ever know.. trust me as i have 25 records on 4 of my bikes at maxton.. They only started launching bikes in 2005 when we broke 9 records in 1 weekend.. The old theory was roll out like you do the 1/4 mile for good trap speed.. Not true..

4th.. His gearing is much different than what Todd is running..

Just a few keys points to get straight as everything you read on the net isnt always what it really is.. hes about 10 min from my shop and watch him make passes weekly at the drag strip and weigh in as well for events..

I will also have to agree it would take 1350whp in the Porsche to touch 250mph.. Again we are all paper racing as NONE of us know what it takes in a car that weighs what todds weighs and the aeros he has.. We are all guessing.. Thats my .02 on what it will take based off real #'s i have seen with the AWD gallardos..

Mike

 

I'm not concerned with how much power it's making now. I'm taling about at the Mile. I was todl he made 1229.1 and I believe the graph was posted ohere n the forum. Are you saying it's BS?

Okay...

Really? I never knew that until I read it right here. Thank you for informing me, Mike. All this time I thought peak power ruled....and area under the curve meant nothing.

From what I've been told (by the drivers themselves), the fastest Porche guys all got their best MPH when they rolled out easy in order to keep temps down during the latter part of their runs. I can't speak for bikes, of course...

Okay. I don't care about that either...

He does indeed hold both the Porsche 1/4 mile and Standing Mile records, though...right? I just want to be sure I didn't mess that up too.

Just so you know; you don't need to defend EVOMS. I'm a big fan of EVOMS and thier accomplishments. I'm not attacking EVOMS, so relax.

I'm simply saying 250 mph at 1200 HP ain't going to happen, regardless of the tuner.

 

Ok ill help you again then.. when he ran 230+mph he was not making 1200whp to run that time.. he was making 900whp so that wad then and NOW.. Dont believe everything you read on the internet... Dyno dynamics dynos do wonderful things for HP with CTRL+X.. his car traps right at 159-160 which is 900whp at 2850lbs with driver..

If you believe that rolling a car out of the hole yields the best mph because 330 ft out 5280ft will make a difference in AIT temps then 2 things are possible.. You dont understand how 1 mile racing works or whoever told you that has a broken car..

Does bello hold both records with an Aircooled car yes he does.. Dont compare a 3500lb watercooled porsche vs 2700lb air cooled or then we might as well talk Volkswagen beetle drag cars then.. compare an apple to an apple..

I am not defending Evo at all i am trying to educate you on whats FACT and FICTION.. These posts are not as a fanboy.. I already agreed they need 1350whp IMO.. Bello can do it with 1200whp ill bet..

Mike

 

Who knows. A couple of us have been asking the exact same question off-line, since we know 1200 won't do it.

 

How do " WE " know for sure.. maybe you can help me on a few things so i can make a better guess.. The gallardos got 240+ with 1200whp with a good driver.. Which is more aero the gallardo or 997 and which weighs more?? and how much do you guess the heavier one weighs??

With a tail wind and proper condition if the porsche is 200-300lbs lighter, as aerodynamic or more it could see a 250mph run.. 15mph tail winds will give these cars 5+ mph..

Mike

 

Okay, I got it. Bello holds the record with far less HP than everyone else. Thanks for the clearing that up for me.

The guys that told me that happen to hold the fastest water-cooled Porsche Standing Mile mph runs on the planet. And none of the cars are broken. I also have thier Mile graphs and know exactly how easy they came out in both 1st and 2nd gear. Glad I could help you out there...

Umm...it doesn't weigh 3,500 lbs. Try again...

If you want to be helpful, that's fine. I certainly appreciate helpfulness. But when you begin posting with an attitude towards me it only escalates the discussion.

Think about it...

 

You can Google the weights and C/Ds of both cars if you really want to know.

240, ya...I think that's possible. Just not 250. But if I'm wrong, you know what will happen? Nothing. I'll simply admit I was wrong and move on.

I guess we'll see...

 

It would appear me posting some facts comes off as an attitude.. I dont know why but i guess so.. I was just trying to help with FACTS so once again the rumors dont spread the entire forum on 1200hp , 2700lb porsche not making it to 240mph.. Was fairly simple..

I will disagree 100% that launching a porsche that is properly setup changes the temperatures in the mile.. I would say someone needs to evaluate the cooling system..

Well see what happens i guess with 900whp on my Gt2 when it leaves WOT vs. rolling.. We can run the mile every weekend here fortunately.. Thank god for florida roads.. Ill check the logs and let you know.. if your right your right..

Mike

 

With turbo kits and setup as they run the mile is what makes me curious on weight not wikipedia.. Ill bet Todd is close to 33-3400 w/ him it.. Maybe he can chime in on actual race weight on the corner scales.. Ill ask john reed who does the underground gallardos what the weigh on race day and get back to you.. thanks!!

Btw.. not looking for a confrontation just having a friendly discussion..

Mike

 

Mike,

It's obvious the Bello stuff got you going a bit. I know it wasn't intentional, but yes, there was a definite 'tude in your post! I don't have insider info like you do regarding Bello's fudged dyno numbers, so I honestly appreciate you clearing that up.

That's fair...

I'm definitely interested in real-world comparisons. The more, the better.

Sounds good, man. Thanks!

P.S. - Just so everyone knows, I WANT EVOMS to hit 250. I REALLY, REALLY do! I just think it'll take more than 1200 rwhp to do it

 

Its all good buddy.. maybe i typed with a little attitude.. I read a lot on here and dont post so much as there are a lot of Favorites on here and the new guy doesnt know anything in a lot of cases.. I was reading somewhere earlier that the gallardos need 1600hp to run 240+ and then i spoke with john reed and he says it was done with 1200 and good driver and 1400 with poor driver.. So your post got me going your right..

Also reading about bellos 1200hp dyno dynamics #'s on 100s of forums gets old.. I have a pretty accurate HP weight calculator i use against my personal cars that i know the dynojet hp and weight and its so close its scary.. For ET its a guess at best but for MPH its dead nuts most times.. So before i opened my mouth here i checked and sure enough 900hp 2850lbs runs 159mph which is what he traps on almost every given test and event day I watch..

 

The car that ran 250.1 was in the 1600HP range.

 

I didnt ask about 250.. Ill have to check back.. I know he said 1200 to do 240.. 400 more HP for 10mph would really suck to have to do.. ill check again.. Thanks!!

Mike

 

While there is no replacement for displacement its a fact of life the Gallardos and Ford Gt's will probably rule the mile for some time.. The power they make is so easy.. If they want 2k HP with the Ford GT its doable..