IMI A- you want the info, you can pay for it. Pay for the airfield, my track insurance, and my time within 50 miles of Orlando FL. I will show up once you have that in place.

996ttalot- You really talking about Toby??? That joke? The same guy who gave his car to those hacks at RS- who can't solder an IC on a PCB, who can't tune a car without hiring outside help because they don't know how to tune the Bosch DME, who didn't even have an appropriate dyno to tune his "high powered" car? The same ones who "wore out" his engine trying to tune it? The same Toby who started to smack talk Sharky at Sharkwerks? THAT Toby?

What you boys in the UK have proved, is that you don't have an idea how to build a VTG hybrid, let alone know how to properly tune a VTG car. You can't even make power in your high humidity, low temperatures of the UK and northern Europe, yet you feel justified in making others "prove" at your terms, how they make power in subtropical climates. You can't even compete with Champion's 60-130mph times, nor their 997.2 Turbo S 1/4 mile times.

You haven't shown what Champion does is impossible. What you have demonstrated, though, is that you can't do what they do.

I guess you have to hang your hat somewhere.

 

Very nice. Thanks for sharing. Do you know what's the actual a/r ratio for standard and gt2? Also, do you have any specs on the turbine wheel when the vanes are fully displayed, inducer/exducer size?

 

So you basically saying that Todd Knighton at Protomotive doesn't know how to tune...lol.

I can absolutely run the same 60-130mph - have already done that but as I explained it is to the determinant of times for top speed. So what is the point.

And for the record, I wasn't knocking CMS they have done great stuff, just interested to see what their turbos can do in a like for like comparison.

 

Read much? I didn't mention Protomotive at all.

However, now that you mention it, the fact you need a guy working out of a barn in podunk USA tells me you truly, truly have no idea how to tune VTG.

Bull****. Top speed is gear limited. 300kph is not top speed. The fact you can't run to VMax with VTG with a real tune, under your ideal conditions, tells volumes.

Why so interested? What skin do you have in the game? You don't sell their product, you don't use it. Your transparent attempts at libel are laughable.

If you are so interested, rent a suitable airfield within 50 miles of Orlando, pay my insurance premium and gas, and I'll be there. Otherwise, talk is cheap.

 

Your missing the point - we run all our cars to Vmax. That is a fact that is undisputed and in the public forum. If you seriously think that running high boost early on on VTGs does not have consequences at higher speeds then you know very little.

If you don't rate Todd doing tuning, then that is strange given how many shops in the USA he actually does tuning for. Maybe you don't know that.

The only interest I have is to see whether this turbo that was mentioned was good - if it is better, great then I'll buy it and sell it to my customers. Why wouldn't I want to do that. But I am not going to buy that turbo and put it on a customer car if it is not better and 60-130 time does not make it better.

Frankly if you only have to travel 50 miles to go to an airfield I am surprised you haven't already done it. I travel more to work each day than that.

 

Its your car Nick why in the world should or would I pay for you to run at an airfield? If you're not interested in what your own car can do 0-300kph absolutely no skin off my nose.

Hahaha RS Tuning do not know what they 're doing? That speaks volumes. Let me guess. Are you the 10885whp GT2?

The amount of power a VTG is limited by the hotside whether VTGS are 63.5mm, 65mm and 68mm. If you want to believe you have a 10885whp continue to live in ignorant bliss. If you want to prove you have 10 billion whp car faster than a space shuttle get on a track or airstrip.

Edited to say until then put up or shut up....

 

To clarify, NickW's car is not "the" GT2 in question. He also has a built 3.8L GT2 but his was prepared more as a track car, rather then for straight line speed. His car his 6 custom maps (3 for pump gas, and 3 for race gas...each one custom tailored to the dynamics of the road courses he frequently drives) which are housed to 2 cloned DME's which can be unplugged and swapped on the fly then switched using the GIAC flashloader. His "top" race gas tune yielded 845whp, slightly less then the other GT2.

For the record, I never attacked any of you guys, I have been pretty cordial I think, and I did not ask NickW to come on here and defend me. However, your remarks above are uncomfortably close to basically calling me and my company liars, which is completely unfair and unwarranted.

To be honest, the owner of the other GT2 and I have called and attempted to rent the two local airstrips several times. The rental cost was between $4500-$5500 per day. Each one also told us that we would need to provide nearly $1,000,000 in insurance coverage for that day, as well as hire a private EMT company to be on site for the duration of the event. The overall cost would have been higher much higher then $10,000 for just one day, with one car. I'm sorry...but that cost makes it not worth it. And for what? To prove what our VTG kits are capable of doing at 185mph....a speed which the average person may ONLY hit once in their lifetime, if ever?

Our cars make the power we advertise and perform as promised, period. Those results have been verified by dyno tests, 1/4 mile times, and 60-130mph tests. They do it safely, without ANY compromises in the tuning or to the integrity of the car. We back our customer by providing a FULL WARRANTY ON THE ENTIRE CAR for the length of their factory or CPO warranty. We have been making and selling our billet VTG turbo packages (with nearly 150 sold for the .1 turbo alone) for almost 9 years and have never had one customer complain, either here in the US or abroad (where we have sold quite a few). Our reputation, history, and integrity as a company speaks for itself.

 

Tom,

I am not knocking your company in the slightest. The issue is that you cannot compare vtg hybrids on 60-130mph times - it is not enough and as stated I don't give a %%%% about hp numbers - it is pointless as explained before. Hopefully one day one of your customers (of which you have many on these VTGs) will be able to run these VTGs to their max and they should by all accounts run good numbers. I would be more than happy to buy from you, but cannot do that unless I can compare. And there in lies the issue.

Kind Regards Ken

 

To be clear Nick has attacked quite a few respected people and tuners who have nothing to do with this thread and he's your client. Nick "only" has 845 whp. That should still easily be a sub 17 - 20 sec 0-300kph car. Look you believe what you believe and thats you're right but its only a belief at the moment as you've verified nothing.

I couldn't care less how much hp a car has.

I get much more enjoyment taking my little 89 Carrera or 90 964 C2 through a twisty country English country lane or on track than blasting down the autobahn at 205 mph. But my 997 turbo does blast down the autobahn at 205 mph and it more importantly it "holds" it power. For me this is important and this is why I'm always curious on 0-300kph as it shows if the car has any weaknesses through its entire speed range. I even managed to melt a stock 997 mezger turbo engine on the autobahn which is pretty unheard of as most people in the US do not use their turbos like me. Lots of people in Europe do. My own view is that my engine melting was more to do with VTGs getting very hot on these fast autobahn runs. I do not believe a 996 turbo would have failed in the same way my first engine did. If VTG tech has moved on is even yielding 815 whp I'd certainly be interested in a set like this too for myself but only on the basis that the package is proven and does what it says on a tin. If I turned up at VMAX with the 815whp package and was not running 20 sec 0-300kph I'd be very disappointed but that would be my fault for buying a package thats not been tested properly. Peace out

 

Off topic - amazing how much fun you can have with 231 and 250 bhp.

 

And my 997 turbo is run to its outer limits on both track and dragging mile and 2 mile events like VMAX

 

I see the problem, your steering wheel is on the wrong side .

 

 

IMI A- I didn't see any information on where to meet for this test. I assume you didn't even try to look and just spout off how you want to get the data when in fact you have no interest whatsoever. So I guess you are just full of it like many internet warriors on this site- you just want to show off how big your dick is at the expense of others. You don't like it when your buddies are attacked? Now you know how I feel when whiners like yourself use passive aggressive BS tactics. Welcome to the neighborhood.

BTW, why are you even posting pictures of your car? Can't you just stay on topic? Who the **** cares about your cars in this thread? Do you have GT2 turbos? Or Champion 68mm GT2 hybrids? Why even post that drivel?

996ttalot- If you were more transparent about your motive you'd be Casper. Again, just because you can't do what others have done, doesn't mean it's impossible. You want the information? I gave you an avenue to venture down. Other than that, you probably shouldn't mention your business here. If you want free advertising there's Craigslist.

Put up or shut up. The rest is just hot air.

 

He has a few points imo, the "tone" in this thread is a bit harsh though.

It would be fun if we all could share more logs of our cars. A tune that is fine in 3rd might be **** in 5th, only way to know is to test and log the car.

I am pretty sure all 911 owners break the speed limit regularly, so why not then do yourself and others a favor and log log log.

And it is a bit worrying if a major tooner like Champion/GIAC dont do real life high speed tests of their maps? It's not the same as being on a dyno...