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Old Apr 19, 2012 | 06:08 PM
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I personally wanted to test drive a GTR before buying my 911 turbo but the sales guys at Nissan were so annoying, pushy and unprofessional that I was fed up with the whole process. Porsche on the other hand was another experience all together. I think the underlying problem is that Porsche is used to selling Boxsters as their cheapest models, not Sentra's. Totally different mindset and feel of the car, dealership and heritage.

Having said that however, Porsche has got to step up their game by either cutting prices (not raising them) or digging into their profits and giving you an even faster, more luxurious or higher grade material car for the current prices. Otherwise, why would you pay $70K more?? As much as I like the heritage and my experience with Porsche, it's becoming more difficult to justify the expense with Nissan raising the bar...

Although I do agree with the other 6speeders...as a single man, I'd much rather pick up a date in a Porsche Turbo than a Nissan...unless of course she's 19 and is into playstation
 
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 06:39 PM
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BS comparison. The TTS rapped the GTR in the 1/4. It was very subjective to the chubby guy.
I have to disagree with you there.

10.9 at 127 vs 11.1 at 124.8. I'd call it misdemeanor sexual battery.
 
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 08:46 PM
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Old Apr 19, 2012 | 08:47 PM
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I've had both a 997 turbo and now have a gtr...I think the gtr is more of a raw car, louder more aggressive looking than a turbo! The gtR draws WAY more attention than any turbo would! I've had people follow me now to take pictures and to ask questions! I never really had anyone look twice at the turbo...The thing about a porsche is nobody knows the models and they are more common than a gtr...I will also say the gtr sounds better than any turbo I have ever heard! I'll agree the interior on the 997 was a bit nicer with the leather...The gauges/technology on the gtr are awesome and blow the 997 away...I also love the widebody look of the 997! It's just a great classic look! Both are great cars in their own rights! The gtr is more mod friendly also! You can get huge power with simple mods!
 
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is the attention a +++ ???
I had a Gallardo, that used to attract way too much attention, one of the reasons I sold the car, not to say it's a POS. Car just looks good, and that's about it.
GTR is honest for it's price. I can't justify having it, as for MY PERSONAL use:
it's not a good daily
Not a track car

So for my preferences and needs it doesn't work.
 
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I forgot to say that I took all graphics out of my car, and also painted the red accents, grey, so It wouldn't draw attention.
 
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I've had both! Good attention where people want to know what the car is or they just have never seen one and want pics and to ask a ton of questions...Also the car has drawn negative attention as well for me...I've been flipped off a few times...I've had people follow me just to take video with their phones as well..
 
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Two distinct rides that cater to one's budget and preferences. IMO they are both great rides.

The differentiator for me was the experience I wanted in ownership. From a very young age I thought about owning a turbo. When I finally had the means to buy one I did without hesitation. I still have a special connection to the car years later and for me it continues to validate why I made the decision to buy the car.
 
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The talk about the attention - it is all coming from kids and internet car aficionados who know exactly what a GTR looks like and everything about it, before they've ever even seen one on the road in person. To the general public it is otherwise indistinguishable from a G37. You can say the same for the most part about BMWs M lineup too.

This is far different from the kind of raw and natural attention that goes with the sexiness and beauty of a Lambo, Ferrari, R8 or what is to this day still a head turner, the NSX. I'd like to think a yellow 911 turbo with a nice drop belongs more in this category but I won't flatter myself

Personally if I'm dropping 170K, I'm getting one of the aforementioned models - I feel like I got the deal of the century with my used 997.1, so I'd have a tough time rationalizing spending nearly another 100 grand on a car that looks exactly the same sans LED DRLs and tail lights.
 

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Originally Posted by djben
The talk about the attention - it is all coming from kids and internet car aficionados who know exactly what a GTR looks like and everything about it, before they've ever even seen one on the road in person. To the general public it is otherwise indistinguishable from a G37.
I totally disagree with this. From my personal experience, I would say it's a 50/50 mix between people who know exactly what a GT-R is (in many age categories), and people who have no idea what it is, but tell me they think it's "beautiful", or something similar. A lot of the latter are women in their 30s and up.

I resisted getting a GT-R for a long time, but I had friends who owned higher end cars than I did (I owned a 800rwhp GT2 at the time) telling me to get one and that I would not regret it. For about 6 months or so I had my '10 GT-R along with my GT2, and realized that I had pretty much stopped driving the GT2, and was only driving the GT-R. Sold the GT2 shortly afterwards.

Anyway, I just love that we have so many choices. It really is a great time to be a performance car enthusiast.
 

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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 07:33 AM
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As an aside, anyone notice that GT-Rs have been tuned far more successfully in the time frame that the 997.2TTs have been out?

There seems to be a lot of insecurity from Porsche owners on this board.
 
Old Apr 20, 2012 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Of course it's a BS comparison. All of the below quotes are also BS. They laughingly called the GT-R "the better car", which we all know is not possible. I mean, it's just a Nissan.

But hey...at least the Porsche is better on a dragstrip.
Listen, I know you love the GTR and they are great cars but that "Head to Head" was crap. They didn't do hot laps on a track, get actual data except 1/4 and figure 8 and the guy that does the driving is not exactly a pro. The GTR is bang for the buck. Leh Keen just traded his GTR for a .1 GT3RS. He is a big GTR fan but still not a 911 in his eyes. He's a pretty damn good driver and expert on track cars, don't you think???

Lets stick both of those cars on Laguna Seca, RA, VIR, ect for a 8-10 lap session and see how that goes.

Also, I did drive an 09 since It was one of my options at the time. It was ok but you could feel the extra weight in slower turns, ect. Now, I know the 2012-2013 is quite the improvement with the LC, ect but while I had it for a few hours that day, every teenager with a Honda, DSM, Evo was up my butt . . . Didn't need that attention.
 

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Originally Posted by Onetime
I have to disagree with you there.

10.9 at 127 vs 11.1 at 124.8. I'd call it misdemeanor sexual battery.
LOL. Ok.
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
I totally disagree with this. From my personal experience, I would say it's a 50/50 mix between people who know exactly what a GT-R is (in many age categories), and people who have no idea what it is, but tell me they think it's "beautiful", or something similar. A lot of the latter are women in their 30s and up.

I resisted getting a GT-R for a long time, but I had friends who owned higher end cars than I did (I owned a 800rwhp GT2 at the time) telling me to get one and that I would not regret it. For about 6 months or so I had my '10 GT-R along with my GT2, and realized that I had pretty much stopped driving the GT2, and was only driving the GT-R. Sold the GT2 shortly afterwards.

Anyway, I just love that we have so many choices. It really is a great time to be a performance car ennthusiast.
+1 I had a Lamborghini Nera and the GT-r draws just as much if not more attention... My ZR-1 and Turbo S fly under the radar compared to the GT-r.
 
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Originally Posted by bbywu
As an aside, anyone notice that GT-Rs have been tuned far more successfully in the time frame that the 997.2TTs have been out?

There seems to be a lot of insecurity from Porsche owners on this board.
From GT-R owners as well...

Bottome line, everybody should just enjoy their sweet rides (whatever they are) and be grateful that while many of the world is going hungry at night or is under oppressive regimes, we are sitting here from the comfort of our homes discussing our $100K+ cars
 

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