2013 Nissan GT-R Black Edition vs. 2012 Porsche 911 Turbo S Comparison
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Listen, I know you love the GTR and they are great cars but that "Head to Head" was crap. They didn't do hot laps on a track, get actual data except 1/4 and figure 8 and the guy that does the driving is not exactly a pro. The GTR is bang for the buck.
Lets stick both of those cars on Laguna Seca, RA, VIR, ect for a 8-10 lap session and see how that goes.
Lets stick both of those cars on Laguna Seca, RA, VIR, ect for a 8-10 lap session and see how that goes.
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</O-The 2009 GT-R (478 HP) beat the 997 Turbo S on 11 out of 13 tracks. <O
</O-The 2011 GT-R (485 HP) beat the 997 Turbo S on 8 out of 9 tracks.
-The 2012 GT-R (530 HP, revised aero and suspension) beat the 997 Turbo S on 2 out of 2 tracks.
-The 2013 GT-R (545 HP) is the fastest GT-R ever built, and it beat the 997 Turbo S in this MT head to head.
In summary, on a total of 25 tracks (which also include VIR and Laguna Seca), the GT-R has beaten the Turbo S 22 out of 25 times (list attached). I don't imagine anything else needs to be said on this subject.
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Okay, let's summarize all of the known road course times between the R35 GT-R and 997 Turbo S on various tracks around the world.
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-The 2009 GT-R (478 HP) beat the Turbo S on 11 out of 13 tracks. <O</O
-The 2011 GT-R (485 HP) beat the 997 Turbo S on 8 out of 9 tracks.
-The 2012 GT-R (530 HP, revised aero and suspension) beat the Turbo S on 2 out of 2 tracks.
-The 2013 GT-R (545 HP) is the fastest GT-R ever built, and it beat the Turbo S in this MT head to head.
In summary, on a total of 25 tracks (which also include VIR and Laguna Seca), the GT-R has beaten the Turbo S 22 out of 25 times (list attached). I don't imagine anything else needs to be said on this subject.
<O</Owww.fastestlaps.com<O</O
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</O-The 2009 GT-R (478 HP) beat the Turbo S on 11 out of 13 tracks. <O
</O-The 2011 GT-R (485 HP) beat the 997 Turbo S on 8 out of 9 tracks.
-The 2012 GT-R (530 HP, revised aero and suspension) beat the Turbo S on 2 out of 2 tracks.
-The 2013 GT-R (545 HP) is the fastest GT-R ever built, and it beat the Turbo S in this MT head to head.
In summary, on a total of 25 tracks (which also include VIR and Laguna Seca), the GT-R has beaten the Turbo S 22 out of 25 times (list attached). I don't imagine anything else needs to be said on this subject.
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</Owww.fastestlaps.com<O</OI'm to assume that these track times with magazines are the usual warm up lap, 2 to 3 hots, then a cool down. This isn't time trials.
What about when the sessions get to be 5 or more hot laps. At DEs we have 25-30 min sessions and I've seen more then a few tranny limp issues, ect. Has that been handled? It seems like the GTR has a tendency have the "money-shot" early on.
Even Sharif with their track modded GTR had a tranny issue at their last big track event. It went into limp mode on them.
I'm not getting into a pissing match with you, I'm saying that for the track rat, the GTR is just too heavy and all the gadgets in the word will not overcome that for a 2 day, 8 session event, ect. My opinion is that the P-car would be a better choice.
For the drag strip or street racing, the GTR seems to be the weapon of choice.
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Nothing wrong with that, but that is really limited in my point of view.
GTR is a nice car, does a lot of things that a car of it's weight didn't supposed to etc.
Both are capable cars, different price ranges, different finishes, different quality etc.
This is a never ending fight.
What I love about the Porsche is that the Porsche that a average Joe like me, buys at the dealership, is extremely similar to a full race car. Is probably the closest OEM street car can get from a full race car.
For ME, and that is my personal opinion, there is a lot more to a car than just one fast lap, having a car that can do that over and over and over again, for an extended amount of time in it's stock form, is just mind bogging, also there are other things like driving feel, road feedback and other thing involved.
I came to a point in life that are really just a few cars that I enjoy driving. Everything else for me is just transportation.
Again, this is just my personal opinion, I don't mean to offend anyone, as you can see I also have a GTR, and I'm entitled to my opinion.
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I'm to assume that these track times with magazines are the usual warm up lap, 2 to 3 hots, then a cool down. This isn't time trials.
What about when the sessions get to be 5 or more hot laps. At DEs we have 25-30 min sessions and I've seen more then a few tranny limp issues, ect. Has that been handled? It seems like the GTR has a tendency have the "money-shot" early on.
Even Sharif with their track modded GTR had a tranny issue at their last big track event. It went into limp mode on them.
I'm not getting into a pissing match with you, I'm saying that for the track rat, the GTR is just too heavy and all the gadgets in the word will not overcome that for a 2 day, 8 session event, ect. My opinion is that the P-car would be a better choice.
For the drag strip or street racing, the GTR seems to be the weapon of choice.
What about when the sessions get to be 5 or more hot laps. At DEs we have 25-30 min sessions and I've seen more then a few tranny limp issues, ect. Has that been handled? It seems like the GTR has a tendency have the "money-shot" early on.
Even Sharif with their track modded GTR had a tranny issue at their last big track event. It went into limp mode on them.
I'm not getting into a pissing match with you, I'm saying that for the track rat, the GTR is just too heavy and all the gadgets in the word will not overcome that for a 2 day, 8 session event, ect. My opinion is that the P-car would be a better choice.
For the drag strip or street racing, the GTR seems to be the weapon of choice.
I believe the early cars had cooling issues, but those issues were easy to fix at a low cost for those who routinely tracked their cars. Pretty sure the newer GTRs have addresses those issues. Regardless, if I wanted a dedicated track car, I wouldn't buy a GTR or a Turbo S. That said, the GTR is the best all-around car that I've ever owned...which I believe mirrors what the article says.
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Neil, do you think this is more of an issue regarding customer demand, or tech limitations of the 997.2TT?
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The 911's w/PDK also have a tendancy to overheat as well (noted first hand by owners/passengers). One instance happened in 7 laps.
Cooling issues were mostly addressed already (see Divex's post).
Cooling issues were mostly addressed already (see Divex's post).
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The world beating in those people's minds are a car with extreme horse power.
Nothing wrong with that, but that is really limited in my point of view.
GTR is a nice car, does a lot of things that a car of it's weight didn't supposed to etc.
Both are capable cars, different price ranges, different finishes, different quality etc.
This is a never ending fight.
What I love about the Porsche is that the Porsche that a average Joe like me, buys at the dealership, is extremely similar to a full race car. Is probably the closest OEM street car can get from a full race car.
For ME, and that is my personal opinion, there is a lot more to a car than just one fast lap, having a car that can do that over and over and over again, for an extended amount of time in it's stock form, is just mind bogging, also there are other things like driving feel, road feedback and other thing involved.
I came to a point in life that are really just a few cars that I enjoy driving. Everything else for me is just transportation.
Again, this is just my personal opinion, I don't mean to offend anyone, as you can see I also have a GTR, and I'm entitled to my opinion.
Nothing wrong with that, but that is really limited in my point of view.
GTR is a nice car, does a lot of things that a car of it's weight didn't supposed to etc.
Both are capable cars, different price ranges, different finishes, different quality etc.
This is a never ending fight.
What I love about the Porsche is that the Porsche that a average Joe like me, buys at the dealership, is extremely similar to a full race car. Is probably the closest OEM street car can get from a full race car.
For ME, and that is my personal opinion, there is a lot more to a car than just one fast lap, having a car that can do that over and over and over again, for an extended amount of time in it's stock form, is just mind bogging, also there are other things like driving feel, road feedback and other thing involved.
I came to a point in life that are really just a few cars that I enjoy driving. Everything else for me is just transportation.
Again, this is just my personal opinion, I don't mean to offend anyone, as you can see I also have a GTR, and I'm entitled to my opinion.
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I believe the early cars had cooling issues, but those issues were easy to fix at a low cost for those who routinely tracked their cars. Pretty sure the newer GTRs have addresses those issues. Regardless, if I wanted a dedicated track car, I wouldn't buy a GTR or a Turbo S. That said, the GTR is the best all-around car that I've ever owned...which I believe mirrors what the article says.
They got a lot better though, take longer to overheat for sure.
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Ditto in South GA heat. Savannah is a hot **** in the summer.
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Switzer's 'P800' cars don't seem to have the same issues. I know one guy who races his all over Georgia and his car is rock solid.
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Maybe I got the number wrong. I was in the car so I can state for sure, that it didn't work for long, and with the HKS cooling kit.
That gentleman had a lot of $ invested. Carbon brakes, Those moving rear wings, carbon hood, the P something Kit, JRZ suspension. Was really fast for a couple laps.
That gentleman had a lot of $ invested. Carbon brakes, Those moving rear wings, carbon hood, the P something Kit, JRZ suspension. Was really fast for a couple laps.
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Ya, they're beasts. My car with stock displacement makes 927 awhp on 93 octane. I'm not aware of any Porsches that come close to that on 93.
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