The 997 TT is a much more refined car with a better interior and much better ride. The GTR
Is a good performance value for the dollar. The interior needs work and the GTR ride is much too stiff for daily driving. A friend has a 2010 GTR and I've driven it enough to know that Nissan needs to make some changes in there next Gen car.

 

I have a concern about GTR maintenance because I've read about the excessive cost of ownership and can't understand why so many GTR's are for sale with low mileage. Is the 997TT's maintenance as costly as the GTR? Everyone I know who had a GTR sold it. To a lesser degree I acknowledged the GTR's bone jarring ride which is synonymous with handling but I often wondered what it would be like on dates and if my well endowed bunnies would complain of the harsh ride. As for the 911 I need to go test drive a 997TT. The last one I drove was a 996 X50 but I was severely underwhelmed about the performance because at the time I was driving a 900 WHP Supra. Then there's the issue of Tip vs 6 speed. I'd rather not drive a stick in DC but how's the Tip with modded 911's? Can it take big HP? I like the idea of the tip because I want the boost to hold between shifts. Lastly, why does perforrmance parts like an exhaust and ECU Flash cost a fortune for the 911? I've seen guys with 911 TT's spend 30K in basic mods only for me to issue them a severe beatdown in the Supra. I don't wanna be that guy lol. It seems that the GTR provides the better bang for the buck. Damn I'm torn.

 

If you plan on modifying either car, the GT-Rs performance gap only widens. Not only is it easier to make more power out of the GT-R, but its also cheaper, larger aftermarket, and the transmission is much stronger then the PDK...

 

I drove a GTR on the track back to back along with a Ferrari, R8 V10 and Mclaren at http://exoticsracing.com/ and found the GTR heavy and very "fake" and heavy feeling. I'm be the first to admit that these rental race cars get a lot of abuse and something as simple as a bad alignment could have affected my experience. So could the fact that the cars are run with the traction controls are set on "safer" modes.

That Said I'll take my (modded) 996T over the GTR and a 997 is head and shoulders a better car.

They are very similar cars and if I could have two I'd take a turbo and high revving N/A car for variety.

My current fun car are an M Roadster and a 996T.

 

Actually if the horsepower #'s are the same the 997tt wins I think. A lot less weight, unless it's a drag race. There is a larger aftermarket for GTR, but as far as mod prices the 997 doesnt cost that much more to mod, maybe 15/20% more for the same power. They never made PDK in the 997.1, Only tip or 6 speed. With the GTR or the 997.1 Tip you have to build the transmission for big power builds. The 997.1 motor is stronger than the GTR. Theres Pro's and Con's for every car, just depends on what you like and use it for.

 

+1. Divex is probably the best gauge for this, as he has already explored both options to some unreasonable AND reasonable limits (between his R1KX and his USE, and prior/current 911 builds).

I don't think we can accurately compare the PDK to the DCT of the GT-R when used for high HP builds, because of the PDK's limitations. But, as was mentioned, this is about 997.1 vs GT-R. Simple - if you want to row gears, get the 997.1, if you don't, and prefer a quick shifting manual transmission (that is not an auto), get the GT-R.

 

Interesting... You know they made changes last year to the 2012's, right? Comfort mode is softer, while actually increasing cornering ability in 'R' mode.

Different seats, displays, etc... the 2012 is a VERY different car than the 2010 you experienced. The 2015 is going to be quite different from the current car as well.

 

I've seen now multiple posts suggesting that age is a factor. I had not considered this as important until a few moments ago. Withing the last 15 posts (or so), there have been 3 age references...

"zit-faced 20 yr old being familiar with the car"
"kid in a GT-R, man in a Porsche"
"Dad says,'Son, ***** don't know GT-R, get the Porsche"

So, I guess if you're older (or want to feel older), get the Porsche...

Perhaps it may depend on the age of the woman you are attempting to court... Know your target.

My target is me.

 

I haven't driven a 2012 GTR I can only go off the magazine article I read on the 2012 and the driver said it was still to harsh in the street mode. Porsche and GM have done a good job with there adjustable suspensions I would think that Nissan could fix this.

 

I'd like to chime in on this after reading most of these posts. And i will give my opinion on which to choose after I state my mind just a bit.

There are going to be many stereo-types given for all drivers of any car. I think it mostly comes from what people tend to experience when being around the driver/car. With that, id like to say i have only had one personal encounter with a GTR and its driver. I have seen many driving down the road, as well as at car shows. That one encounter I mentioned was while driving our Performante around in OC, I immediately spotted the GTR ('12 Black Edition) and he gave me a thumbs down . Since then, and i apologize to anyone who may be offended, i can't help myself but to judge most GTR drivers and their attitude towards other cars on the street. I have been around just as many Porsches and their owners and have never received any negativity of any kind. It has always been a pleasure to run into someone or anyone of that matter "old" or "young" driving a Porsche.

Okay, now that i've stated that, the topic at hand: each car is going to have perks and faults. Personally i love both cars, they are each in their own right amazing pieces of machinery. Before i bought my 997tt i was at crossroads with which one i wanted more. I just recently sold my 2006 Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR and really wanted to escape the type of crowd the car brought around. I couldn't escape the stereo-types no matter where i brought the car. I loved the Evo, very much so but i was finished with it. When it came time to purchase i felt that if i ended up with the GTR everything would just be the same as when i drove the Evo, only difference would be i would have a more expensive car with a lot more muscle to push around. The 997tt is something i consider "a wolf in wolfs clothing", it's classy and a beast in performance. The attention received when i bring my Porsche around is exactly what i was looking for. The performance in the Porsche is the perfect medium of luxury and speed. After all was said and done and I'm in the drivers seat, I couldn't be happier with my decision. My opinion, buy a Porsche.

 

You NEED to drive a '12 - - it is a completely different car.

 

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No need to apologize. This completely understandable. There are idiots of all types driving every type of car... As we've said in the military - you always have your 10%.
Agreed.

Oddly enough, regarding track performance, I prefer the C5Z suspension over the floatier C6Z suspension. That is just a preference, though. I love the C6Z - one of my favorite cars.

There is a balance and trade-off for suspension stiffness and daily driving ride quality. We can't praise the Nissan for it's superior track performance for a car under $100k (non-BE), then slam it for having a rougher than average ride. Something about having a cake....

 

Fair enough as an evaluation of GTR: essentially great track car but not so much of a daily driver because of the jarring ride that a number of people have pointed out.

But we are here to compare two cars... and there is another car that allows you to have a cake and eat it too. The Porsche Turbo, even modded ones with basic Bilstein, rarely draws such criticism. This is why at least as a daily driver (a supposed function of the GTR), the Porsche Turbo is inherently superior: its smaller form, its weight, and of course, its ride.

The GTR's primary and unsolveable 2 weak points that I would like to caution potential buyers, is not its look (not the prettiest, but if you like it, that's all that matters), nor its dealer (I can't stand my Porsche dealer either), nor its speed (damn fast car), but...
1. its lack of manual transmission (for those who enjoy shifting - critical aspect of this hobby) and most importantly,
2. its 3900 lbs weight.
It is this weight that requires the suspension to be stiffened to reduce weight transfer/body roll. Weight is the primary enemy of motorsports and this is the GTR's greatest disappointment. I cried because of my Turbo's 3550 lbs. weight and the GTR adds nearly 400 lbs! Not elegant engineering and this is why the car may be fastest but IMHO will never be "funnest," in the long run. (I don't follow GTR forum so don't know, but it would NOT surprise me that if you are an aggressive driver, in the long run, transmission, tire, brake, etc., all these things that are involved in moving and stopping a 4000 lbs mass, will suffer as well. I would not want to own this car past the warranty period.)

 

I cannot disagree with your position regarding the weight of the GT-R. Some could argue that's why it is so daily drivable in all weather conditions...

I'd argue that despite it's weight, it is remarkably balanced. But I cannot argue that less weight would not help.

There are some that dislike that 911's are becoming grand tourers, not sports coupes (evident with threads like 2 door Panamera, etc...). I do not. I love what the 991 brings, and can't wait for the 991 Turbo.

However, for the cost of those Bilsteins (also OEM on GT-R's), you could easily improve ride quality AND performance, while maintaining the in-cabin controls for adjustments. But now we've moved into aftermarket.

Stock, I agree the Turbo is softer than the GT-R. This may also be a reason why the 7.1 lap times are slower (not by much, but enough that a suspension tweak could dissolve). Like I said - trade-off.

If these cars were priced identically, it would still be a hard decision for me.

 

I didnt think about the weight but all of what you said makes sense.