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Old Feb 2, 2013 | 10:49 AM
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Heel-Toe help anyone?

I know many members here have attached the Rennline pedals to help with rev matching. I'm still convinced that Rohrl and other Porsche test drivers have crooked feet. I noticed this when I came across their store:



"...this new Rennline pedal system can be adjusted in any direction, not only for height and depth, but also laterally and angularly, as well as widthwise using the supplied throttle extensions."

Looks interesting.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2013 | 10:58 AM
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I had to replace my shift **** and decided to go with the Rennline shift **** instead of OEM ($100 vs $300).

While I was on their site I decided to get the pedal kit

I just put it in two weeks ago - throttle with both extension plates, brake, clutch and dead pedal. Works great!

Haven't been able to really wring the car out with some harsh brake stomping and rev-matching action but I'm looking forward to it.
 
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I don't think the pedal is available yet? This one isn't just a bolt on, it replaces the accelerator and accepts factory potentiometer arm. As my foot is small and narrow, I am hoping the angle of the plate can be better directed toward the brake.

 
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Ah, I didn't see the text at the bottom that explained this was an entire pedal assembly replacement
 
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Originally Posted by bbywu
I know many members here have attached the Rennline pedals to help with rev matching. I'm still convinced that Rohrl and other Porsche test drivers have crooked feet. I noticed this when I came across their store:

"...this new Rennline pedal system can be adjusted in any direction, not only for height and depth, but also laterally and angularly, as well as widthwise using the supplied throttle extensions."

Looks interesting.
Bob, I bought the whole old Rennline kit (enclosed picture) but in the end only use the pedal extension - the red part - and it works to *perfection*. It's amazing just what a little extension will do - you really don't need anything elaborate.

What I would like to mention is that there is a reason I did not use any of the pretty white aluminum plates with black rubber inserts: For the gas pedal, the 1/4" thick aluminum plate is installed of top of the existing gas pedal and partly because of the additional thickness, partly because of its weight, the gas pedal feels "heavier" and 'thicker" (obviously). I wear shoes with very thin sole during driving and could definitely feel the difference and did not like it. The stock pedal feels lighter and easier to modulate. I therefore am leery of such an elaborate system replacement - it most definitely will not feel the same as stock, which I think feels near perfect other than the need for heel toeing.

I've read a few threads on heel-toeing and PCCB brakes from GT3 forums. Anyone please correct as needed but my take on this issue is that PCCB brake is not heel-toe friendly because the engagement point is high, meaning at the point of braking, the brake pedal is much higher than the gas pedal, making it near impossible to connect with medial and lateral aspect of foot. You literally have to turn foot sideway to connect the 2. At the track, it appears as the system gets hot, the PCCB brake engages deeper and therefore it is easier at the track then for street driving.
I had Big Red in my previous 997 and could confirm that for me, it was easier to heel toe with Big Red than with PCCB.

In my car now with just the simple extension plate (the red part in picture below), heel-toe is so easy even an amateur like me could do it safely without much effort or drama. I use medial and lateral side of my foot and just tilt the foot rightward a little to connect to gas pedal. It's fantastic and I love it.
 
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Originally Posted by cannga
In my car now with just the simple extension plate (the red part in picture below), heel-toe is so easy even an amateur like me could do it safely without much effort or drama. I use medial and lateral side of my foot and just tilt the foot rightward a little to connect to gas pedal. It's fantastic and I love it.
How does the red piece mount to the stock pedal? Do you have any pictures?
 
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...my take on this issue is that PCCB brake is not heel-toe friendly because the engagement point is high, meaning at the point of braking, the brake pedal is much higher than the gas pedal, making it near impossible to connect with medial and lateral aspect of foot. You literally have to turn foot sideway to connect the 2. At the track, it appears as the system gets hot, the PCCB brake engages deeper and therefore it is easier at the track then for street driving.
^ I agree with this.

I wish I could try before I buy (i.e. trying the new adjustable pedal versus the pedal cover.)
 
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Originally Posted by xbox_fan
How does the red piece mount to the stock pedal? Do you have any pictures?
I have the same setup and works great. The red tabs fit under the full front silver plate and bolt on together as one pedal. It then bolts to the stock pedal.

Full DIY here
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ne-pedals.html
 
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Originally Posted by Winnilaker
I have the same setup and works great. The red tabs fit under the full front silver plate and bolt on together as one pedal. It then bolts to the stock pedal.

Full DIY here
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ne-pedals.html
I thought cannga had _only_ the red extension piece mounted directly to the stock pedal. But you're prob right it only fits to the cover plate as shown in the pictures.
 
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Originally Posted by xbox_fan
How does the red piece mount to the stock pedal? Do you have any pictures?
I don't have car with me now so this is how I best remember this, and sorry no picture but this should be easy to understand. The Rennline "assembly" for the gas pedal actually consists of 3 separate parts:

1. A thin (about 1-2mm thick) metal "platform" that screws onto the top of the OEM gas pedal. This piece IIRC is larger than the OEM gas pedal.
2. The two red extension pieces for heel-toe assist go on top of 1 (the platform).
3. The thick (about 5mm thick) pretty aluminum plate with those round rubber inserts also go on top of 1.

In my car, I install 1 and 2, but not 3. Because the "platform" in 1 is painted black and thin, it doesn't stand out and most importantly, it doesn't alter the "feel" of the gas pedal. Should be very cheap if rennline would sell these 2 parts separately. It is functionally perfect and I would recommend it without hesitation - it would work well even with Big Red.
 

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Originally Posted by bbywu
^ I agree with this.

I wish I could try before I buy (i.e. trying the new adjustable pedal versus the pedal cover.)
Bob the other thing that you might want to consider is if the gas pedal is made thicker, it becomes **closer to your body**, whereas the clutch and brake pedal remain far. The result would be that at the seat position that previously fit both left leg and right leg, after the alteration your right leg might be bent in more than before.

I don't talk about this point much because it could just be me and my OCD tendency. It probably doesn't bother 99% of people out there.
 
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