Hi all,

I used to be an owner of a 997.2 GT3, but someone had made me a really good offer so I sold that in August. It was a fantastic car and everything the magazines say about it was true. I loved the car even though the power was not quite there.

Given I'm still at least a few months away from my GTR build to be done, I still need a car to hold me over. A lack of a nice sports car to drive really sucks!!! This is why down time is the most brutal part of any big build. It absolutely sucks. 3 weeks ago I bought a stock 2015 blue GTR Premium (a second GTR). I wanted to see what the whole DBA thing was all about vs the CBA that I have had built into an Alpha 12. Yes, all around it's a slightly nicer car. Small details are nice. Immediately though I thought the suspension was very soft and GT-esque. The 2015's are when Nissan softened everything up due to consumer complaints. This is something I don't like. Honestly though I haven't driven an OEM GTR since 2012 so my perceptions are very jaded. Still a great car but not something I felt MUCH better than my CBA. One pic of the 2015:



Fast forward 3 weeks and I found a pristine 2013 997.2 Turbo S with 3500 miles on it. Since where I live there are no taxes and very minimal fees to sell/buy used cars, I decided to make the switch. I didn't lose anything on the 2015 GTR.

First impression of course is the build quality. The paint is superb - black with lots of silver flakes. The interior is simple yet tastefully luxurious, which is what I like. I don't need over the top interiors. Just high quality and intuitive. The seats are nice but I do miss the GT3 CF bucket seats which are the second best seats I've ever sat in. The best being the Porsche 918 seats I've sat in once.

I'm pumped to experience something different! I've already done a lot of reading and it looks like with this car, suspension mods are a no brainer. The turbo is made for the white hair 60 year olds that want a fast luxury GT tourer (not knocking old age as there's nothing wrong with that!!). What I want in this car is Turbo S power with an almost GT3 like handling and precision. It will never be a GT3 because the suspension geometry is inherently different, but I hear a Bilstein suspension (similar to the Litchfield suspension concept for the GTR) that keeps PASM (in car controls like the Comf/reg/R in the GTR) + sway bars + GT3 alignment + Michelin Cup 2's will transform the car.

I haven't driven it yet - pickup is tomorrow. For now, some pics.

 

Nice
Congratulations!

 

there is none higher.

 

Holy crap that is clean. Congrats.

 

Thanks guys!

I'm already doing a little research on suspension. Seems to be a lot of voodoo and snake oil out there. There's a whole lot of marketing and advertising speak without doing back to back time testing on the track with the setups.

 

Looks like a great find!

Cheers,

 

Congrats, super clean example!
What are your plans besides suspension?

 

It needs a TCM tune to update the shifting program. Why do no vendors support this I wonder. There are a thousand vendors here selling useless snake oil but has no solution to what the car actually needs - fueling, handheld or standalone custom tuning, transmission tuning, and upgrades to the PDK if someone wants to go big boy power.

 

COBB has a handheld for custom tuning and easy map switching. They also will complete TCM tuning if more people push for it. It's something they have been working on. Post here and tell them you want it too https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...bb-tuning.html


Couple people, including COBB, are seriously working on the fueling for the 991/997.2. Here is a thread with some data about the stock system, including ethanol mixing https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-mixtures.html


There are aftermarket PDK clutches available right now(Dodson) but need to get the TCM tuning finished to take advantage of them and get them to jive with the car. You also basically need a surgeon to install them because the PDK needs to be cut open and welded back with extreme precision https://www.dodsonmotorsport.com/porsche.html




Problem is most people who buy Porsche are content with just bolt-ons and being the fastest guy in the neighborhood. Not many willing to push the envelope beyond that.

 

Thanks Chris! Great info. Yeah I'm just getting a primer on the basics of 997.2 tuning now. I'm not looking to go ***** out on this platform (I already have an Alpha 12 GTR) but from what I see, this car is fast as hell with bolt on's. Low 130's trap on pump gas? That's crazy. That's FBO E85 levels in a GTR. I'm just unsure if things being posted are glory runs. Tons of tracks have timing equipment that's off, ie PBIR left lane. I'm very curious on what consistent numbers the PDK cars can pull off.

Man, I didn't know you had to cut the trans open!! That is insane. Porsche really didn't want anyone to mess with their cars!!! That is a big turnoff honestly.