To be honest this really proves very little on the fuel side. What it proves is just that Longboarder's car is now 3-4mph faster at an event out there and he's also running meth.

Its not about how easy or hard this is and once again, it isn't hard at all and it is being worked on. We're not hardware vendors but we work with many quality hardware vendors out there.

Its really not an excuse at all. Its simply reality for many shops out there as you're not just dealing with one particular car or platform. As for us we decided to start with the 997.1 Turbo instead of the 997.2 at the time close to 2 years ago for the fact that no one was stepping up to push the 997.2s on the hardware front, period. That is partially to blame on the awesome work Porsche engineers did back at the factory to make the PDK Turbos as amazing as they are off the factory floor and so easy to satisfy many people on the performance front with just basic boltons and tuning for quite a while now.

Couple that with the pricing from established vendors to build the Turbo motors, inability to easily open the PDK case and swap clutches as they're not sealed, many of them claiming impossible to solve fuel limits when its lack of experience tuning for high hp given direct injection was new, you can see how many would be turned off and look to other port fuel injected platforms for their high hp builds.

Well, you can't just bolt up an inline-6 billet intake manifold spacer made for a BMW to these motors can you? Hardware wise, no one is sitting on it but the solution to this problem on both the hardware and software side is one that has been solved, discussed and the solution is not very old so you couldn't have had it back in 2010 for instance.

I'm looking forward to the secondary injection kit hardware that Sean@SRM is putting together. I don't think he'll be sitting on it when its done. Some say Sean never sits, Sean? Don't you be sitting down now! lol

Dzenno

 

I posted the vid of the first event (link below). The positioning of the hardware was not 100% for Shift SEctor and caused a code that resulted in a limp mode (~ 9psi of max boost) at some point on each race. However some runs allowed me to almost get to the finish line before limping. Despite that the car did a 167.66 true half mile on the timing equipment and vBox (would have been higher with no limp). vBox also showed 1/4 mile of 139.9mph which is beyond what the upgraded turbo 997.2's have been able to accomplish. The positioning of the hardware has since been fixed and no codes/limps are occurring and I'm looking forward to the upcoming April 2 Airstrip Event and will again show what this new system is capable of at 100%. Car is at GMG getting wider R888s to match my new GMG LMS wheels and some cosmetics changes. I should pick it up Monday. One thing I want to mention even though I would rather GIAC present all the technical data (they may do it off-forum to their customers first), is that my car picked up 54 peak wheel HP and almost 100 wheel HP at redline with just this fuel system and retune. It also made only 66 less HP than a Twin Turbo built Audi R8v10 on the same dyno....which is a 1,000 HP kit.

And i'm still on original factory stock turbos.

Cheers.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ip-attack.html

 

an apology is in order. i read that post to mean that the porsche platform was being driven by cobb. when i reread your post i realized your talking about different car platforms in general. in that respect you could be correct. in respect to porsche they are new to the game and have a ways to go to perfect their files.

eurodyne was out yrs ago for porsche and simple remote tuning with durametric for logging was done yrs ago.
im all for new ways to go faster.

 

That is all well and good but used in this context
My statement stands. We haven't seen anything. We have seen no images of the hardware, no description or even a decent explanation of the hardware, nor no hard data other than your traps(which are great, but doesn't tell us how much headroom is picked up in the way of fueling).

You made a thread saying "the fuel issue is solved" and first time out had nothing but problems. That isn't fixed/solved IMO. That means it is still being shaken down. And I would wager most people don't consider the fuel issue "solved" until e85 can be utilized which doesn't sound like is the case.

It seems like things are moving in the right direction, but from my experience in modding cars what GIAC is doing sounds like a bandaid. What SRM is doing sounds like a solution to a problem.

 

There are other upgraded fuel systems out there on customer cars. It was invented by a GIAC retailer and this retailer shared it with GIAC. I just happen to post about it. I'm not the first to have it. Because of my post here, there are other customers working with GIAC and may even have it on their cars too. I dunno. And this very well may be a product GIAC never markets, but only provides to their existing loyal customer base as requested. I'm not GIAC and don't speak for them.

To address some of your comments: Nothing but problems? Are you sure How many 997.2's can say they did a 139.9 1/4 trap is 2,500+ DA in the middle of the day flat slope? Did you see me fly away from the Agate 991 Turbo S that was on drag radials? That is current US 1/4 mile record holder for a stock turbo non-nitrous 991.

As far as your comment about e85, it's in my car RIGHT NOW. I'm only currently tuned for MS109 but I tossed in a bunch of e85 and guess what, it drives perfect! Maybe its not advised but I did it anyway. Also, this is not a band aid...it's a permanent full time fueling solution. Meth is a band aid and nothing like this system.

Lastly, do you think after all this hard work, GIAC is just going to post up their hardware, installation technique, programming, and tuning for everyone to see and try to copy?

 

How many clean runs did you get with no fuel cut?

And the rest of your post, with all the cryptic, secretive jargon, is exactly what I mean when I said we haven't "seen" anything. All these cars that are running it...Where are they? I am sure they exist, but we haven't seen it.

I am not sure what is so hard to understand. I make the following comment "to be fair we haven't seen anything" and you are debating me with a bunch of stuff we haven't seen(many cars running it, numbers, yadda yadda)..LOL And this isn't knocking the "solution" or your car, but we haven't seen much of anything in regards to it. That is all.

And you're saying you are running right now with an ethanol content of e80+? Or you have added e85 to make e30-4x mixture?

 

I didn't get any fuel cuts. As I mentioned, the original placement of the hardware caused a code which then caused a limp. This did not manifest itself on the dyno. It occurred on the road in testing condition. It was fixed and I haven't experienced any further codes/limps. I can't say it's not going to return when in the triple digit speeds again but will find out April 2.

You know, it may end up that nothing ever gets posted about this by GIAC. If there is a bunch of demand and not enough product to satisfy that demand, my guess is that there is no need for GIAC to post anything until the workload has met the demand.

I am running 100% meth so I don't need e85. It's a blend with pump 91. Maybe somewhere in the e30-e35 range if I were to guesstimate.

 

Limp mode, fuel cut, tomato, to-mato. Point was it wasn't without issue. Seems like an odd problem to have with something that's "solved" that's what I call "shake down" passes. Maybe now it's 100%, who knows, and that's my point.

And I feel like you're talking in circles. Lol I say most people would consider it "solved" when you can run e85, and you say "it's in my car now" when running an e30 blend is fairly irrelevant to my point, and not "running e85".

The problem is you're from the inside looking out and can't look at the situation critically. From us on the outside looking in there's really not much info that's tangible. Post some before and after logs. Something.

 

My car was experiencing a specific issues due to the install. But others who have this kit did not experience this code/limp issue from what I understand. It was isolated to something minor on hardware placement. No biggie it was addressed/fixed. Happens all time with other aftermarket products. Sometimes a product just need to be reloaded (in case of a tune) or wire/sensor changed (in the case of exhaust) etc.

A higher capacity fuel system is just that. It doesn't need the capability of running pure e85 to have this issue solved for me. I don't plan to run pure e85 when I can get full advance on e30+meth. Can this system run e85? Maybe it can. Haven't tried cause I don't need to.

If you want something more tangible, then call GIAC. It's their product to sell not mine. I don't care if they sell any. I'm not posting anything except 1/2 mile slips, vBox info and vids of my races.

 

It's their product, sure, but you posted it's "solved" and offered absolutely nothing showing that. Lol

 

Hey I get it. It's not solved for you.

But it is solved for me and it's in my car and I get to drive it and race it on E or whatever gas I want since I now have plenty of fueling headroom.

If there are any other doubters out there who don't think its solved and want to run me with their 997.2, come out to NoFlyZone Bakersfield April 2nd. lol

 

sigh.... i need to see "it"

this is worse then trying to see a nipple on scrambled hbo when i was 11

 

That one had me rolling!!!

 

Longboader, You are mistaken concerning the 1/4 mile record holder for a stock turbo non nitrous 991. I currently hold that record at 10.12 with stock intercoolers, stock turbo's, no MT (888's) cobb tune by Rob (robtuned) and no nitrous. With nitrous, I ran 9.71@143

Jeff

 

Can we have an update on this thread. It has been more than a year. What options do we have for fuel upgrades as I want to turn up more power on my 997.2 Turbo S...