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Old Nov 2, 2016 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mit_Boost
John -- First off congratulations on EvoSpec (little behind), and I wish you lots of continued success in 2017. Second, I was hoping you could comment on when you believe it's appropriate for someone with a built engine to start considering Air/Water intercooling, vs. traditional Air/Air. Especially in light of the fact that 1,000+ WHP builds are becoming more and more common and popular.

Finally, would EvoSpec be able to help with upgrading the drivetrain (in particular, the front diff) for people looking to build similar higher-power setups.

Thank you in advance.
Thanks very much for wishes! I do see A LOT of good stuff coming in 2017. Especially with the 991T cars.

You bring up a good question. The answer is purely my opinion from what I have personally seen and tested.

A lot of it has to due with how you are using the car and the over all " messing with " you want to put up with. I tell everybody that if you are racing your car at events and your goal is to be competitive either in your own times or with event wins, go with a Water Core set up. I say this because with the correct water core system, you can get your ACT down and control them much better in a race situation. This is purely due to the fact you can run Ice with the water in a suitable Ice box. Winning racing is about consistency and control over the vehicle/Engine so this type of system allows you to do this much better.

Air/Air is good because its a much lighter system for one and you dont have anything to mess with like Ice or water. However since you are relying on ambient air to do the heat exchanging, it takes a VERY efficient core to effectively maintain a decent ACT. If you get stuck with a hot day or air flow suffers through the core, it can really effect your consistency. There are great Air/Air systems out there and I have seen them cool about 1400HP worth of flow to decent temps. Plus for street driving, its a no hassle set up.

Some will disagree but after about 1400HP worth of flow, I have not seen a Air/Air system be able to consistently cool like the water cores can in racing situations. This is why I advise on doing a Water core system for those who want to race their cars. Some water systems like the one I produce also has a front heat exchanger for street driving that keeps the ACT in check at moderate boost levels. This allows you to run on the street and have fun without needing Ice. However heat soak happens fairly quick with repeated pulls so again a Air/Air system would be better for lots of street diving/Racing.

When it comes to BIG power at 1800+, I have not seen a Air/Air system( currently available ) be able to cool that charge even with one full pull. So many factors come into play but look at what you really want to use the car for and that will point you in the right direction!
 
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Some will disagree but after about 1400HP worth of flow, I have not seen a Air/Air system be able to consistently cool like the water cores can in racing situations.
When you say 1400 HP, are you talking Wheel HP or Break? Just cause 1400 BHP is ~1,150 WHP with an 18% drivetrain loss, which is a very achievable with a 3.6L build and 6266/GTX30R turbos.
 
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Originally Posted by Mit_Boost
When you say 1400 HP, are you talking Wheel HP or Break? Just cause 1400 BHP is ~1,150 WHP with an 18% drivetrain loss, which is a very achievable with a 3.6L build and 6266/GTX30R turbos.
Yes I'm sorry for not clarifying, talking wheel HP here. Again though, many variables to take account so just a estimated number for reference.
 
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