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997.2 turbo S full bolt on?

Hi ya'll!
still on the hunt for the perfect car but i have a question for everyone...
What can one expect to achieve horsepower and torque with 'full bolt ons' and stock turbos on says a 997.2 turbo S?
I've done some searching but honestly am new to this forum stuff so I seem to be missing something. If there is specific build i should be looking for please let me know and I'll try to search for it.
I have a good idea of the hardware I want but then with the tuning there seems to be so many options I can't seem to nail down exactly where I'd want to go with that.
Thank you in advance!
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Originally Posted by TCallahan View Post
Hi ya'll!
still on the hunt for the perfect car but i have a question for everyone...
What can one expect to achieve horsepower and torque with 'full bolt ons' and stock turbos on says a 997.2 turbo S?
I've done some searching but honestly am new to this forum stuff so I seem to be missing something. If there is specific build i should be looking for please let me know and I'll try to search for it.
I have a good idea of the hardware I want but then with the tuning there seems to be so many options I can't seem to nail down exactly where I'd want to go with that.
Thank you in advance!
tom
Depends how wild you want to go. Typically 580-600whp is the range people reach, with meth+100octane some have pushed it to 680whp with slightly modded turbos.
 
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Originally Posted by BHR997.2TT View Post
Depends how wild you want to go. Typically 580-600whp is the range people reach, with meth+100octane some have pushed it to 680whp with slightly modded turbos.
hi thanks for the reply
I was hoping for at least 600 at the wheels on stock turbos... no issues running meth and 100oct ifneed be.
any idea the max power these motors can take in stock form with bigger turbos? my last car (Z06 built engine) was 1100 at the wheels so id like to get at least 750 on the 911 but hopefully not have to do the engine build
 
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Originally Posted by TCallahan View Post
hi thanks for the reply
I was hoping for at least 600 at the wheels on stock turbos... no issues running meth and 100oct ifneed be.
any idea the max power these motors can take in stock form with bigger turbos? my last car (Z06 built engine) was 1100 at the wheels so id like to get at least 750 on the 911 but hopefully not have to do the engine build
it isnít clear how much a stock 997.2tt motor can take as the limitation now is the fuel system. Apparently fueling solutions are slowly coming up, there have been a few that did some I would say major fuel upgrades that are making big power now, but once the fueling is resolved in an easier fashion then you will see some pushing the stock motor past 700whp with upgraded turbos.

Keep in mind that this platform really puts the power down very well in the street, a 800whp 997.2tt will give your 1,100whp zo6 a hard time.
 
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Originally Posted by TCallahan View Post
hi thanks for the reply
I was hoping for at least 600 at the wheels on stock turbos... no issues running meth and 100oct ifneed be.
any idea the max power these motors can take in stock form with bigger turbos? my last car (Z06 built engine) was 1100 at the wheels so id like to get at least 750 on the 911 but hopefully not have to do the engine build
The 997.2's have some of the biggest stock turbos out of the 911's. Full bolt ons with meth and better gas they easily make high 600's.

This is my buddies car, has gone 9's and been 173 in the 1/2 mile with the above mentioned mods. 60-130's in the mid 5's , I think its one of the best running 997.2s out there.

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Originally Posted by BHR997.2TT View Post
it isn’t clear how much a stock 997.2tt motor can take as the limitation now is the fuel system. Apparently fueling solutions are slowly coming up, there have been a few that did some I would say major fuel upgrades that are making big power now, but once the fueling is resolved in an easier fashion then you will see some pushing the stock motor past 700whp with upgraded turbos.

Keep in mind that this platform really puts the power down very well in the street, a 800whp 997.2tt will give your 1,100whp zo6 a hard time.
Agreed, also the clutches are not as good as in the 991's and would need to be upgraded too. Theres a few things being tried currently, I would not be surprised if with better fueling the 997.2s are able to hold similar power to the stock motor 991's.
 

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You could hit 680-700 with Meth and a Proper tune (Highly recommend ES Motor). That's as far as most of them will go. If you wish to take it further you will need to upgrade hardware such as clutch, it's much weaker in the 997.2s compared to the 991s.

There will be a few cars, including my car, coming out this summer with pretty much upgraded fuel systems, turbos and clutches which should put the .2s back on the map.
 

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My 2012 997.2 turbo s is full bolt on with methanol injection. Stock headers though. Custom tuned via Cobb accessport by esmotor.

Fastest valid 60 to 130 mph I have ran is 5.36 seconds. Stock turbos and stock fuel system. I make 692 wheel on a dynojet.
 
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We have gotten the 997.2 Turbos up to 680-700whp stock turbo. They run low to mid 5s 60-130 which is hyper car performance and 9 second 1/4 Mile times. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about the specs.
 
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wow! thanks for all the great info folks!

What clutch do most folks use for an upgrade? does the 991 clutch work on the 997.2?
I was very tempted with the 991 Turbo S but there is just something about the 997 exterior and interior styling that just looks so much better in my opinion which apparently is what a lot of other people think too since a low miles 997 turbo s is in some cases a higher price than the 991 or on par. the 991 also felt a lot heaver to me... Seems like they made a lot more 991s? someone told me that once VW took over porsche that they were going to mass produce a lot more cars and i guess thats what im seeing with pricing. Im going to look at a bunch of turbos at a shop in PA tomorrow that has both .1 and .2 turbos. I really want a mezger based car but would prefer the pdk since im not a good shifter lol not horrible but not the best.... and for my plan of running these rolling race type events I think the pdk will serve me better. Has anyone put a pdk transmission in a mezger turbo? the shop im going to said that putting a real sequential race gear box could be doable out of a 991 cup but they haven't heard of someone putting a pdk on a metzger. that engine seems to be stronger from what I gather but I still am just learning.
 
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Originally Posted by TCallahan View Post
wow! thanks for all the great info folks!

What clutch do most folks use for an upgrade? does the 991 clutch work on the 997.2?
I was very tempted with the 991 Turbo S but there is just something about the 997 exterior and interior styling that just looks so much better in my opinion which apparently is what a lot of other people think too since a low miles 997 turbo s is in some cases a higher price than the 991 or on par. the 991 also felt a lot heaver to me... Seems like they made a lot more 991s? someone told me that once VW took over porsche that they were going to mass produce a lot more cars and i guess thats what im seeing with pricing. Im going to look at a bunch of turbos at a shop in PA tomorrow that has both .1 and .2 turbos. I really want a mezger based car but would prefer the pdk since im not a good shifter lol not horrible but not the best.... and for my plan of running these rolling race type events I think the pdk will serve me better. Has anyone put a pdk transmission in a mezger turbo? the shop im going to said that putting a real sequential race gear box could be doable out of a 991 cup but they haven't heard of someone putting a pdk on a metzger. that engine seems to be stronger from what I gather but I still am just learning.
The dodson upgrade is for both the 997.2 and the 991, factory clutch wise the 991 has more discs thus holds more power stock than the 997.2 . Which shop in PA? Yes they make a sequential for the mezger, AIM has a car with that setup. I dont think anyone has done a PDK to a mezger yet.
 
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My car did 719whp with no issues.

Got full bolt ons ES750 package. Stock clutches and stock turbos that that ported only.

Did 5.2s 60 to 130mph


Those figures are with meth and Panta Fuel XS race gas.

Check my build thread.


I'm now doing an ES1200 build.
 
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Originally Posted by arkadyzv View Post
The dodson upgrade is for both the 997.2 and the 991, factory clutch wise the 991 has more discs thus holds more power stock than the 997.2 . Which shop in PA? Yes they make a sequential for the mezger, AIM has a car with that setup. I dont think anyone has done a PDK to a mezger yet.
Good to know. I'll check doodson out too
The shop in PA is holtz motorsports they actually recommended aim performance among a few others in the area. The son seemed to know a lot about modding these cars and does lots of turbo upgrades but it seemed like they were pretty busy with the older cars in the shop and wouldn't be able to get me in right away. after visiting the shop earlier i still can't decide to go .1 or .2 OR 964. The power is my main goal but i really love how 964 look despite being damn slow lol
 
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Originally Posted by 3llooi View Post
My car did 719whp with no issues.

Got full bolt ons ES750 package. Stock clutches and stock turbos that that ported only.

Did 5.2s 60 to 130mph


Those figures are with meth and Panta Fuel XS race gas.

Check my build thread.


I'm now doing an ES1200 build.
that sounds awesome i will check out your build!
 
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Originally Posted by TCallahan View Post
that sounds awesome i will check out your build!

Do your research, ask questions... Community will support you


You will also find out best results are tuned by Emre of ESMOTOR and their dealer AIM performance in USA.


I chose to build my car because I got addicted hahahha and wanted more power.



I was also cross shopping between 991 and 997.2 and liked the 997.2 better after test driving both.
 
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I'll add my .02 for what just a tune and exhaust will get you. This is as far as I can go for now, as I have a warranty for the next 5 years. Lord knows I want to mod more, but I'll have to wait.


My car only has a COBB OTS Stg. 2 - 93 oct. tune and a Europipe exhaust.

During some testing with my Dragy a few week ago on cool night. DA was only 450. Street was cold and my tires (older Mich. PS2's) were at full OEM pressures.
It spun badly with a horrible 1.86 60ft. but still went 132.6 MPH in the 1/4 and did the 60-130 on that run in 7.24 secs.

So that 10.77 would have been at least a 10.3 - 10.5 with a better 60 ft. My car went 1.55 60 ft. on a track when it was stock.

At my cars weight (with me in it 265 lbs) and that trap speed, it calculated 601 WHP for that pass. That's Very high for a non-custom OTS tune on pump gas.





 

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