Hey Greg, if he still doesn't come around, drive up the coast and I will take you up on that offer.

Ed

BTW, bring your passport!

 

But keep your Avatar!

 

I'm still willing to drive down if he won't take this offer. He would be crazy not to take you up on this offer though. My guess is that he still won't.

 

Name change won't matter - he's a serial basher so we'd recognize him when he goes after Fabspeed for the 12 HP gain they claim results from a smooth, red intake hose.

 

For all you keyboard jockeys out there I did my part for the forum and volunteered my car, as an unbiased test mule. I volunteered my car to go to a third party dyno shop of irrefutable reputation. More then 60 dyno pulls were done on my car. In fact I challenged Gregg personally to send the plenum. As it was my car and my challenge to Greg, and my deal, AWE reluctantly provided the data to the forum. Comments about consecutive dyno tests being different from one moment to another may be true but minutely so provided a competent dyno operator is running the show. Telling is only the before and after difference. THAT IS ALL. Trying to cast doubt on AWE’s intentions is crap. They did this test for me, and for the forum, and not the least because they would liked to have sold the product as a dealer if is worked. From what I see most of you have become the proverbial “Doubting Thomas”. Even though you see reliable third party testing you continue to be afraid to see the truth. In the 997S that plenum is bogus period. No BS about only 1 car so there has not been a big enough sample. B__SH__. If it walks like a pig, smells like a pig, and looks like a pig, then there is only one conclusion… it is a pig.

From the AWE dyno it showed that the plenum actually cause a slight mid range drop in power then a jump back up to stock. This flat spot, with the following rapid increase back to normal power may fool people into thinking they are getting some boost. It is a false positive. So much for the butt dyno.

Dominique997SC was posting his opinion that any reseller should know all the facts before selling a given product. If they knowingly sell one that does not meet its claims then they should be publicly flogged. This is what he was stating. If Matthew of GMP did not know of the test I had conducted then shame on him. GMP should do more checking before selling a product. I am not say Matthew is a bad dude. Its just that in good faith knowing what he does know now that he should do dyno test himeself , then let his conscience guide his decision to sell or not sell the product.

Though I do commend Greg for coming up with a challenge, if he wants to save his business and reputation he can not do otherwise. From what I see his whole business is selling plenums... He cannot go down without a fight ..

Caveat emptor !!!

 

DDuncan, I am sure that everybody here appreciated your tests. IPD has their dyno's and independant customer dyno's. who is right? who knows.....
But I see this post and others entering a completely different arena.

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3. Tell employees to avoid statements that may be interpreted as impairing the reputation of a business or individual (i.e., that a principal in the competitor's business is incompetent, of poor moral character, unreliable or dishonest).
4. Insure that the staff avoids making unfair or inaccurate comparisons about a competitor's product. The law generally states that the mere "puffing" (sales talk) or offering of an opinion about your product or service which claims superiority over a competitor's product is not a disparagement as long as the comparison attempts primarily to enhance the quality of your product without being unfairly critical of the competitor's. But when you make a statement or pass along untrue or misleading information which influences a person not to buy, that's unlawful.
5. Advise employees of their obligation not to make slanderous statements or defamatory writings and conduct periodic training sessions to educate them in this area. In certain cases, companies were deemed not to be liable for the slanderous utterances of an employee acting within the scope of his/her employment unless it affirmatively appears that the employee was expressly directed or authorized to slander the plaintiff.

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Posting results is one thing, but what Dominic posted was completely unwarranted.

 

Why do so many people think dyno reuslts are at all accurate? You will get a different result in the same day even if you do nothing to your car. You will get one result after you wash your car's windshield with Windex and another result if you clean it with vinagar.

Why would anyone pay for a dyno run? Does it matter what the results show when the way your car performs make you perfectly happy? Is your car going to perform better or worse after the dyno?

Unless you're using a dyno for turning to make sure fuel, timing, etc are withing specs, you are wasting your time.

We all know that our cars perfrom better after they have been waxed. Is this going to be proven on a dyno?


It's so funny when people get a bad dyno result it is because of a fault with the test. When it is a good result, the test was accurate.

 

copy-pasting some legal text from a website...very brave but it's also very clear you're not a lawyer! you would have known better!

and since when am I the competition? you could as well have taken a text about blasphemy, would have been more appropriate

 

What would be good is if you went to the Dyno Day and saw for yourself, or let Greg come to you.

You have been so vocal against the Plenum, if your opinion is different then perhaps we have a winner.

But I am sure you will find a reason to not meet with Greg and take the test.

 

I am sure some of you have seen this.

Greg is offering an open invite to 4 cars to test the plenum

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...d.php?t=129272

 

Greg is completely stand up. His products are stand up. I feel bad that he has to deal with this crap. Rock on Greg I cant wait to see the positive results!!!!!!!

 

I agree to some extent on the dyno issue but, you have to have some sort of base line to see the results of the modification that you have installed on the engine. I could sell you a rock to stick in the air box and claim it will increase the HP and TQ values by 205% and all you have to go by is my word. With a dyno, you can very much verify that rocks do no good for your Porsche because you have a way to measure performance. Now the real problems arises when you don't have a calibrated dyno and that can throw those numbers off either way. My butt dyno is not calibrated, by the way.

 

I bet he doesn't even own a Porsche and if he did, he wouldn't show because he's worried he might get his *** handed to him on a platter.

 

Dominique, this is my last post in this thread, please do not mention my name or our companies name anymore in any of your posts until you actually buy something from me and have something to say about either the product you bought from us or your experience. Other than that please refrain from posting anything about me or the company I work for. I have done nothing but post up infromation that we are carrying a product ( that you believe doesn't work in your opinion) and post infromation about the product from RSS website. If you had something negative to say about the product your title should have read WARNING DO NOT BUY THESE PLENUMS, instead of DO NOT BUY THESE FROM GMP PERFORMANCE OR GMP_ MATTHEW. It wasn't very professional of you.

 

i've never seen someone back peddle so fast