Comon now, will there be any value in pre car vs. a post car?

 

Do you mean that we all get to pretend that our cars are better then then new ones?

From what I have read, Porsche will still handle all there own R&D and production. The purchase was done to compliment there line up. Lambo and Bentley products have been improved since VW ownership took over.

 

I believe that the Porsche we see in the future will be even better than now. Peich is a car guy and is into advancing technology a lot faster than Weideking was into doing.

 

Porsche could benefit from technology developed by the Audi arm of VAG. Direct injection (Audi since 2005), DSG (PDK esentially- VW/Audi since 06), Full CAN-BUS (since 2004 Audi A8, 1st CAN system in worldwide production afaik 1996). Audi has had a lead in tech by several years on Porsche for the most part consistantly. Not picking a fight here (i own both), just pointing out that there could be some very positive synergy from the current situation.

 

I doubt that PAG will benefit technolgy-wise from VAG including Audi. I think it is the other way around. VW and Audi have always been Weissach tech customers. Technology flows from PAG to VAG. PAG may benefit from access to parts bins and manufacturing facilities.

 

If nothing else, Porsche would benefit from having Audi's input into interior design, especially the dash and switches. I like the gauges in front of the driver but the rest could use improvement.

 

Sweeper, I think you're on to something here. VW bought Porsche to make them more profitable. If you look at merger trends, there are some over-arching themes with this type of M/A.
-Part sharing
-Chasis leverage
-New less expensive model introductions
-Model consolidation to leverage parts and chasis
-Engineering consolidation
-etc etc etc

One could speculate a different company will emerge from this assimilation. Moreover, new CEO intends to somewhat change the 911 brand promise to be "technology innovation." When I think about Porsche's brand today and of yesterday, not sure it's really about technology (although it is technologically advanced). This translates to a bit of risk for the P enthusiast.

 

so will we see some of this newly run company with the "998" ive heard something about originally planned as 2012 model sold in late 2011 but now is going to be out in 2012?

can anyone give the "new" dates for 998 by chance?

 

This is what I'm thinking. Although, AW says that Porsche is going away from trucks and limo's, back to pure sports cars. WE'll see, they're going for a more entry level price point. OMG AN R32 Golfster

"One could speculate a different company will emerge from this assimilation. Moreover, new CEO intends to somewhat change the 911 brand promise to be "technology innovation." When I think about Porsche's brand today and of yesterday, not sure it's really about technology (although it is technologically advanced). This translates to a bit of risk for the P enthusiast" QUoted Pconvert

Yep, I agree.. Post car's suc


I just returned from the Boston Auto Show, Porsche wasn't even there, VW/Audi had the biggest displays. We know where they're bread is buttered.

 

My feeling is that Porsche would benefit from much of what Audi has to offer, the few items mentioned prior being examples of where Audi was ahead in the tech department. Audi had direct fuel injection std for all models from 2005 vs Porsche's "new" DI system only recently. Even BMW had it in 2007. Full CAN system from 997.5 models (except 2005 cayenne, still ayear later that Audi) where Audi was using it years in advance. Just a few examples. What reasons were you thing as to why the tech would be flowing the other direction?

 

Mergers are NEVER good. Just look at MB and Daimler-Chrysler and BMW and RR. It becomes egos and profits over quality and innovation

 

there is some definite truth to what you say although i'd argue with the term "never". that said, M&A almost always boils down to one of two issues:
- saving a dying company where purchaser is buying a R&D and brand recognition
- a few management folks making a huge sum of money in the name of "synergies"

in this case it's the first of those two IMO.

 

Maybe VAG can RAG PAG into up fixin' der IMS in all M96/M97's.

It's hard for me to consider any new P-car if I think they will just supply enough patches to get through warranty, then dump any long-term issues in the lap of owners without factory fixes. The fixes don't need to be free. But if Porsche doesn't support its own brand long-term, I'll find another brand to enjoy. Maybe not as much. But one that can look backward as well as forward (in more than marketing materials).

 

NEVER may be an overstatement...No P car owner will ever say "Gee..am I glad I got the Farfagneguen" package

 

Trying them all