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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 01:40 PM
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Your thoughts on '05 w/only 7K miles....

I'm sort of interested in a '05 997 Carrera with only 7,000 miles on the clock. At a Porsche dealer and comes with a CPO warranty. Asking $44,997.

Thanks for your opinions.....
 
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if its base model without any major options, i would think its more like $40k range.

personally, i don't trust cars with 7k miles in 6 years.. the minute u buy it drive it hard, kaboom ! lol.. j/k

seriously tho, i've heard the 05 has IMS issue (which usually happens before 30k miles.).. its rare but it happens.. so make sure u r protected.
 
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Peace of mind... the car is CPO, so your IMS concerns are going to be taken care of...
In other news, these cars like to be driven... so ultra low miles could mean bad news for seals and fluids...

Around 25,000 is the lowest I would take a 2005. I bought mine (2005) with 63,000 miles.
Price wise, I think reality is around $40,000
 
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Thanks...
Yeah, I'm aware of the possible issues with the '05s IMS & RMS and would do the LN update.
I think 45 is high also but the CPO is factored in to that figure I'm sure!
 
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Dealers know(or think) that low miles always brings a higher price.
 
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unfortunately, the CPO in this case is only good for two years or 50k miles (upto 100k miles cumulative) since ur car is a 05.

if u have IMS failure after that u r SOL..

i don't know how many miles u will be driving in next two years, but keep in mind that most IMS failure happens before 30k miles.

Porsche changed to bigger bearings starting in (lets just say) 06.. so the problem is real, even if its not common.

but if u really like the car.. and can get the price to where u r happy.. go for it !
 
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Originally Posted by cerbomark
Dealers know(or think) that low miles always brings a higher price.
Yep....and that is true to a certain point. The '05 looks like a brand new car. I looked at an '06 with 38,000 miles and it was thrashed. Looked more like 138,000.
If the car was not CPO'd I wouldn't be considering it at all.
The same dealer has an '08 S with 40,000 miles with more options at $54,900 that I'm going to see this weekend.
 
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The 08 sounds like a better deal... Plus it is an "s"
 
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If you get the '05, drive it straight to the shop and do the LN Engineering IMS bearing replacement. I am not joking. Then you will a have a great car.
 
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[QUOTE=crazycarlitos;3486571]unfortunately, the CPO in this case is only good for two years or 50k miles (upto 100k miles cumulative) since ur car is a 05.

if u have IMS failure after that u r SOL..

i don't know how many miles u will be driving in next two years, but keep in mind that most IMS failure happens before 30k miles.

Porsche changed to bigger bearings starting in (lets just say) 06.. so the problem is real, even if its not common.

but if u really like the car.. and can get the price to where u r happy.. go for it ![/QUOTE/



What's the opinions on the pro-active LN "fix" for the IMS? Is it a true "fix" so there are zero worries after doing it?

Thanks again for all the responses!
 
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Originally Posted by DoninDEN
If you get the '05, drive it straight to the shop and do the LN Engineering IMS bearing replacement. I am not joking. Then you will a have a great car.
You beat my question by a minute!

Is it a true "fix"?
 
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Originally Posted by robsled
You beat my question by a minute!

Is it a true "fix"?
LOL! I don't know if it is a true fix, but I do believe that if something goes wrong people would complain about it on the forums. So far I have not seen anybody that has had an IMS bearing failure say it was with a LN Engineering bearing.

I used the same rationale on my supercharger, those who had them only loved them. Those that did not have them had concerns and worries. Not once did I hear of a single owner with a supercharger that didn't like it let alone had a blown engine (Cattman blew his engine, but he said that was due to racing and playing around with the belt pulley). He still loved the supercharger.

I wonder if the '05s with the LN bearing is better than the newer models because at least they can be changed....

Has anyone heard on an IMS failure with a LN Engineering bearing?
 
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Maybe because it's a relatively recent solution to the problem.....It would be nice to know if it is a 100% solution!!!
 
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According to L&N, they have had four failures in the single row (i.e., 2002-2005 MY), but even they say that they can't say for sure whether it was the IMS that failed or something else that caused the engine to explode (something we should all be aware of, since everyone who has an engine failure seems to assume it must be IMS).

Personally, I don't think we know yet whether L&N's IMS solution makes any provable difference. No one knows what the OEM failure rate is, only that it is low. L&N also has a very high success rate, but it could be that the people who opt for the L&N replacement are people who already are concerned about taking good care of their car, so it's a selective sample.

I have a warranty, and I don't want them to blame an aftermarket part if there ever is an engine problem. (I've read anecdotal reports that some warranties will cover L&N's IMS replacement, but I think that's rare). When my warranty is up in another 3+ years, depending on what we learn between now and then, I may do the L&N upgrade. It certainly does not appear to "hurt" the car, but I'm still not convinced it is worth the cost, which is considerable when you factor in the labor, especially relative to a power train warranty that would cover IMS failure and many other problems.
 
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Originally Posted by neotorque
According to L&N, they have had four failures in the single row (i.e., 2002-2005 MY), but even they say that they can't say for sure whether it was the IMS that failed or something else that caused the engine to explode (something we should all be aware of, since everyone who has an engine failure seems to assume it must be IMS).

Personally, I don't think we know yet whether L&N's IMS solution makes any provable difference. No one knows what the OEM failure rate is, only that it is low. L&N also has a very high success rate, but it could be that the people who opt for the L&N replacement are people who already are concerned about taking good care of their car, so it's a selective sample.

I have a warranty, and I don't want them to blame an aftermarket part if there ever is an engine problem. When my warranty is up, depending on what we learn between now and then, I may do the L&N upgrade. It certainly does not appear to "hurt" the car, but I'm still not convinced it is worth the cost, which is considerable when you factor in the labor, especially relative to a power train warranty that would cover IMS failure and many other problems.

The warranty is a good option for you given it has such low miles. You could warranty it for 7 years and 70,000 relatively cheaply. Search the 997 board on costco warranty and that will get you started. I had too high of miles to warranty it, so I'm supercharging it instead!
 


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