Hello everyone, new guy here with a few questions!
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1) lease return - The leasing company took it to auction when they took it back. No problem here. Leases are the best thing in the world for those of us that buy used, as they allow those who buy new to easily move out of their cars at he end of the lease term and into another new car without the hassle of selling or worrying what they will get. Without leasing, the original buyers might hold longer because they don't want the depreciation hit. Going into the lease, they know the deal and the decision at he end of the lease becomes do they want to buy an older car at that point that they have been driving for the past three years or go lease something new. Car is turned back, the leasing company (a leasing arm of PNA) auctions it, Dealer buys it at auction and one of us guys get the benefit of increased inventory available at 36 months. Look at he 991 forum, there is lots of talk about the lease deals out there.
2) 36,000 on the three year lease with a clutch replacement. The lease probably allowed for 36,000 miles and the guy got his miles out of it and returned it when he hit the mileage limit. The clutch going out might indicate that he drove it hard, but you are getting a CPO. Is that as good as a warranty? Maybe call Costco's auto warranty get a quote and check with the dealer on a warranty ready to see if they will match Costco. In all likelihood the previous owner just puts a lot of mileage on it. Have you looked at the car's DME for over revs? That may give you comfort in knowing how the car was driven before buying. The dealer should hand you that free of charge when you ask. Also look closely and ask if they can have their chip guy take care of an rock chips for you.
I hope it works out for you! For the money, less miles are always better, because the car that you buy with less miles will always have that many less miles when you sell. For dependability, the miles are not as important. Check out the thread on high mileage 997s here and on the other board. If you maintain it properly and drive it you should be ok.
2) 36,000 on the three year lease with a clutch replacement. The lease probably allowed for 36,000 miles and the guy got his miles out of it and returned it when he hit the mileage limit. The clutch going out might indicate that he drove it hard, but you are getting a CPO. Is that as good as a warranty? Maybe call Costco's auto warranty get a quote and check with the dealer on a warranty ready to see if they will match Costco. In all likelihood the previous owner just puts a lot of mileage on it. Have you looked at the car's DME for over revs? That may give you comfort in knowing how the car was driven before buying. The dealer should hand you that free of charge when you ask. Also look closely and ask if they can have their chip guy take care of an rock chips for you.
I hope it works out for you! For the money, less miles are always better, because the car that you buy with less miles will always have that many less miles when you sell. For dependability, the miles are not as important. Check out the thread on high mileage 997s here and on the other board. If you maintain it properly and drive it you should be ok.
The car is being sold by a non-Porsche dealer so unfortunately I can't get it CPOed by them. But if I do buy it, I'm taking it to my local Porsche dealer to start shopping for a warranty...the car is under warranty until July.
About the dme, is this something I can simply provide my Porsche dealer the VIN and they can check for me prior to purchase, or does the car have to be present? Can a non-Porsche dealer pull a dme report for me?
According to them the car is flawless and rock chip/scratches free. I'm showing up with a paint meter just in case lol
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Great response which inspires confidence, thank you!
The car is being sold by a non-Porsche dealer so unfortunately I can't get it CPOed by them. But if I do buy it, I'm taking it to my local Porsche dealer to start shopping for a warranty...the car is under warranty until July.
About the dme, is this something I can simply provide my Porsche dealer the VIN and they can check for me prior to purchase, or does the car have to be present? Can a non-Porsche dealer pull a dme report for me?
According to them the car is flawless and rock chip/scratches free. I'm showing up with a paint meter just in case lol
The car is being sold by a non-Porsche dealer so unfortunately I can't get it CPOed by them. But if I do buy it, I'm taking it to my local Porsche dealer to start shopping for a warranty...the car is under warranty until July.
About the dme, is this something I can simply provide my Porsche dealer the VIN and they can check for me prior to purchase, or does the car have to be present? Can a non-Porsche dealer pull a dme report for me?
According to them the car is flawless and rock chip/scratches free. I'm showing up with a paint meter just in case lol
I would also look into the warranty before you buy, it's a couple phone calls. One to Costco auto warranty (Google them) and one to the Porsche dealer. The reason I'm pushing this is when I bought my '07 two years ago with exactly the same miles, the cost of the warranty was out of this world expensive, because of the miles. I didn't get the warranty because of the cost and fortunately my car has been trouble free. But because this might be a concern of yours, check it out before you buy and have them email the quote to you. If you can find one the same year with 15,000 to 20,000 miles on it for $5,000 more, you may be close to money neutral with the difference in the cost of the warranty.
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They may have the Durametric or similar device to pull the DME at the dealer you are working with. If they can't pull the DME, consider a Pre Purchase Inspection (called a PPI) by a local Porsche shop. They can give the car the once over for around $300 and pull the DME.
I would also look into the warranty before you buy, it's a couple phone calls. One to Costco auto warranty (Google them) and one to the Porsche dealer. The reason I'm pushing this is when I bought my '07 two years ago with exactly the same miles, the cost of the warranty was out of this world expensive, because of the miles. I didn't get the warranty because of the cost and fortunately my car has been trouble free. But because this might be a concern of yours, check it out before you buy and have them email the quote to you. If you can find one the same year with 15,000 to 20,000 miles on it for $5,000 more, you may be close to money neutral with the difference in the cost of the warranty.
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I would also look into the warranty before you buy, it's a couple phone calls. One to Costco auto warranty (Google them) and one to the Porsche dealer. The reason I'm pushing this is when I bought my '07 two years ago with exactly the same miles, the cost of the warranty was out of this world expensive, because of the miles. I didn't get the warranty because of the cost and fortunately my car has been trouble free. But because this might be a concern of yours, check it out before you buy and have them email the quote to you. If you can find one the same year with 15,000 to 20,000 miles on it for $5,000 more, you may be close to money neutral with the difference in the cost of the warranty.
Don
I will be making the phone calls tomorrow!
Thanks again!
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And here's one right back! Go back and give the earlier guys who posted some love too!
I hope it works out! I love my car and am completely satisfied with it, but would have waited for lower miles if I was to do it all over again. A PPI kept me from a bad 997 TT that was down in Dallas. Post a thread on where the best place is to get your PPI in your area or where the car is (maybe in the regional section) and you will get good advice. I bought my 997 on eBay and found the right place for my PPI by asking for a good Porsche mechanic out in Oakland where the car was located.
I hope it works out! I love my car and am completely satisfied with it, but would have waited for lower miles if I was to do it all over again. A PPI kept me from a bad 997 TT that was down in Dallas. Post a thread on where the best place is to get your PPI in your area or where the car is (maybe in the regional section) and you will get good advice. I bought my 997 on eBay and found the right place for my PPI by asking for a good Porsche mechanic out in Oakland where the car was located.
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And here's one right back! Go back and give the earlier guys who posted some love too!
I hope it works out! I love my car and am completely satisfied with it, but would have waited for lower miles if I was to do it all over again. A PPI kept me from a bad 997 TT that was down in Dallas. Post a thread on where the best place is to get your PPI in your area or where the car is (maybe in the regional section) and you will get good advice. I bought my 997 on eBay and found the right place for my PPI by asking for a good Porsche mechanic out in Oakland where the car was located.
I hope it works out! I love my car and am completely satisfied with it, but would have waited for lower miles if I was to do it all over again. A PPI kept me from a bad 997 TT that was down in Dallas. Post a thread on where the best place is to get your PPI in your area or where the car is (maybe in the regional section) and you will get good advice. I bought my 997 on eBay and found the right place for my PPI by asking for a good Porsche mechanic out in Oakland where the car was located.
Great idea...the car is up in VA, I live in FL. I'll create a thread inquiring about a good place for a PPI....hopefully there is one near the dealer where the car is located.
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All right fellas, car hunt take two is about to happen. Going for a California car so I was wondering if anyone has any auto transport recommendations. Car does not have a clear bra, so I do not want to drive it 2400 miles without front end protection.
Suggestion of transport companies?
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Suggestion of transport companies?
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These guys shipped my 997 in 2011 from Oakland in 2011 and my LX570 from Santa Monica in 2112:
Call or Email for a Quote:
Direct Line:
(800) 963-5505 (7AM to 6PM PST)
Fax: 818-244-5585
chris@unitedautotransport.com
http://www.unitedautotransport.com/
United Auto Transport
Car Shipping Services
Call or Email for a Quote:
Direct Line:
(800) 963-5505 (7AM to 6PM PST)
Fax: 818-244-5585
chris@unitedautotransport.com
http://www.unitedautotransport.com/
United Auto Transport
Car Shipping Services
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These guys shipped my 997 in 2011 from Oakland in 2011 and my LX570 from Santa Monica in 2112:
Call or Email for a Quote:
Direct Line:
(800) 963-5505 (7AM to 6PM PST)
Fax: 818-244-5585
chris@unitedautotransport.com
http://www.unitedautotransport.com/
United Auto Transport
Car Shipping Services
Call or Email for a Quote:
Direct Line:
(800) 963-5505 (7AM to 6PM PST)
Fax: 818-244-5585
chris@unitedautotransport.com
http://www.unitedautotransport.com/
United Auto Transport
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I'd advise this:
1) Because its winter try to get an enclosed truck. On my 911 I was lucky they were able to find an enclosed truck for close to the same money as an open carrier. Tell the dispatch company you'll need to take some time to find the right price on a covered truck. Tell the seller what your doing and it might take a little while to find the right truck. After your PPI is done and the car is back at the seller's place of business have the seller take a picture of the odometer and tell him that's where the mileage will have to be when it arrives. This will minimize any potential staff joy riding while you search for the right covered carrier. It's now your car not theirs and you don't let strangers drive your car.
2) Before you strike a deal, in an email ask if all blemishes and issues have been disclosed, this will give you the ability work through anything that subsequently surfaces.
3) After you have struck a deal, in an email, politely tell the seller that you want zero surprises when the car arrives, because if there are any surprises you will turn the car back. Tell him to photograph everything and send it to you. This will force him to detail every small defect and allow you both to work through them before the car is transported. I did this on my LX-570 and I was able to have a number of small things taken care of before the car arrived.
3) Ask both the dispatch company and the truck company what would happen if the vehicle is not as described. You and they don't want this to happen, because it benefits no one. It's the seller you need to force to give full disclosure, but unless you looked at the car before it was shipped in person at it you'll never know for sure.
4) Post a thread in the regional section asking if there is a member of 6Speedonline in the area where the car is located that will photograph any cosmetic issues. You'll likely find a very amazing and good person who will do this for you as long as you don't expect them to catch everything. Send them a $100 bottle of scotch for doing so, it's cheaper than a flight.
By doing all of this you are being fair to the trucking company because they should not be stuck with a car being returned due to the seller trying to play the odds that you will not return the car. Also consider the price you are paying, the age of the car and miles when negotiating the dollars to fix the issue. You are not buying a new car, so be reasonable. You are not tying to get a perfect car. You are trying to catch things that should have been disclosed and would have influenced you decision if you had seen the car in person.
I think splitting the cost of small issues is the right way to handle it because you are getting 100% of the benefit. You might, because of the price you are paying, get a big fat no from the seller on a price concession. But at least you will have better disclosure on what you are buying.
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They will work as a dispatcher and find a truck that has room coming your way. On both my recent cars, I had the ability to look the car over in detail and refuse it if it was not in the condition described. I wish I had flown out and looked at my 911 first because there were issues not described by the seller. A local Porsche dealer did a PPI on the Porsche, but they never mentioned a broken button on the PCM, some dings on the front bumper and light marring on the back of front passenger seat. Note: none of the blemishes were due to the transporter. I saved over $10,000 on the car from what the local dealer would do and this was an S and the dealer had a non S. I didn't refuse the car or make a fuss with the seller, but probably could have and got another $1,000.
I'd advise this:
1) Because its winter try to get an enclosed truck. On my 911 I was lucky they were able to find an enclosed truck for close to the same money as an open carrier. Tell the dispatch company you'll need to take some time to find the right price on a covered truck. Tell the seller what your doing and it might take a little while to find the right truck. After your PPI is done and the car is back at the seller's place of business have the seller take a picture of the odometer and tell him that's where the mileage will have to be when it arrives. This will minimize any potential staff joy riding while you search for the right covered carrier. It's now your car not theirs and you don't let strangers drive your car.
2) Before you strike a deal, in an email ask if all blemishes and issues have been disclosed, this will give you the ability work through anything that subsequently surfaces.
3) After you have struck a deal, in an email, politely tell the seller that you want zero surprises when the car arrives, because if there are any surprises you will turn the car back. Tell him to photograph everything and send it to you. This will force him to detail every small defect and allow you both to work through them before the car is transported. I did this on my LX-570 and I was able to have a number of small things taken care of before the car arrived.
3) Ask both the dispatch company and the truck company what would happen if the vehicle is not as described. You and they don't want this to happen, because it benefits no one. It's the seller you need to force to give full disclosure, but unless you looked at the car before it was shipped in person at it you'll never know for sure.
4) Post a thread in the regional section asking if there is a member of 6Speedonline in the area where the car is located that will photograph any cosmetic issues. You'll likely find a very amazing and good person who will do this for you as long as you don't expect them to catch everything. Send them a $100 bottle of scotch for doing so, it's cheaper than a flight.
By doing all of this you are being fair to the trucking company because they should not be stuck with a car being returned due to the seller trying to play the odds that you will not return the car. Also consider the price you are paying, the age of the car and miles when negotiating the dollars to fix the issue. You are not buying a new car, so be reasonable. You are not tying to get a perfect car. You are trying to catch things that should have been disclosed and would have influenced you decision if you had seen the car in person.
I think splitting the cost of small issues is the right way to handle it because you are getting 100% of the benefit. You might, because of the price you are paying, get a big fat no from the seller on a price concession. But at least you will have better disclosure on what you are buying.
I'd advise this:
1) Because its winter try to get an enclosed truck. On my 911 I was lucky they were able to find an enclosed truck for close to the same money as an open carrier. Tell the dispatch company you'll need to take some time to find the right price on a covered truck. Tell the seller what your doing and it might take a little while to find the right truck. After your PPI is done and the car is back at the seller's place of business have the seller take a picture of the odometer and tell him that's where the mileage will have to be when it arrives. This will minimize any potential staff joy riding while you search for the right covered carrier. It's now your car not theirs and you don't let strangers drive your car.
2) Before you strike a deal, in an email ask if all blemishes and issues have been disclosed, this will give you the ability work through anything that subsequently surfaces.
3) After you have struck a deal, in an email, politely tell the seller that you want zero surprises when the car arrives, because if there are any surprises you will turn the car back. Tell him to photograph everything and send it to you. This will force him to detail every small defect and allow you both to work through them before the car is transported. I did this on my LX-570 and I was able to have a number of small things taken care of before the car arrived.
3) Ask both the dispatch company and the truck company what would happen if the vehicle is not as described. You and they don't want this to happen, because it benefits no one. It's the seller you need to force to give full disclosure, but unless you looked at the car before it was shipped in person at it you'll never know for sure.
4) Post a thread in the regional section asking if there is a member of 6Speedonline in the area where the car is located that will photograph any cosmetic issues. You'll likely find a very amazing and good person who will do this for you as long as you don't expect them to catch everything. Send them a $100 bottle of scotch for doing so, it's cheaper than a flight.
By doing all of this you are being fair to the trucking company because they should not be stuck with a car being returned due to the seller trying to play the odds that you will not return the car. Also consider the price you are paying, the age of the car and miles when negotiating the dollars to fix the issue. You are not buying a new car, so be reasonable. You are not tying to get a perfect car. You are trying to catch things that should have been disclosed and would have influenced you decision if you had seen the car in person.
I think splitting the cost of small issues is the right way to handle it because you are getting 100% of the benefit. You might, because of the price you are paying, get a big fat no from the seller on a price concession. But at least you will have better disclosure on what you are buying.
That said, the owner (private owner) has disclosed everything and provided me with a sea of high resolution images, all of which inspire plenty of confidence. I feel great about this deal, and I have everything in line to make it happen next weekend.
I did pick an enclosed carrier; in my opinion, for a car that sits this low and which is so valuable (to me) there is no other way to transport it.
Thanks again!!
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Thank you sir! Very detailed summary! I have put down a deposit with them, and I have also booked a flight to go see the car and load it onto the transporter while I'm there (hopefully). This will allow me to inspect it myself - I'm very picky, and not to say others aren't, but typically what would be an excellent car for most individuals is a very good car for me.
That said, the owner (private owner) has disclosed everything and provided me with a sea of high resolution images, all of which inspire plenty of confidence. I feel great about this deal, and I have everything in line to make it happen next weekend.
I did pick an enclosed carrier; in my opinion, for a car that sits this low and which is so valuable (to me) there is no other way to transport it.
Thanks again!!
That said, the owner (private owner) has disclosed everything and provided me with a sea of high resolution images, all of which inspire plenty of confidence. I feel great about this deal, and I have everything in line to make it happen next weekend.
I did pick an enclosed carrier; in my opinion, for a car that sits this low and which is so valuable (to me) there is no other way to transport it.
Thanks again!!
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By the way, the car has an AWE exhaust on it that sounds phenomenal; I have the OEM one as well!
Thanks for all the help and recommendations! I can't wait to take delivery back home!
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Just want to thank everyone who participated in this thread and helped me in making my decision. I've purchased and taken delivery of the car...simply amazing! Here is the delivery thread I posted...nothing special as I took delivery on a rainy evening, but I will update it with better shots/videos:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...delivered.html
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https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...delivered.html
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