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from what I ve seen the PDK market is much larger than 6 Speeds. I think it is harder to find a 6 speed. That has been my experience.
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Don't quote me on this, but I was told by a Porsche dealer that Porsche sells many more manuals in the U.S. than any other country. But, with PDK, they believe the U.S. will have a very large shift to PDK over the next 5 years. We will see.
If this was 20 years ago, no way would I buy an Automatic Porsche. This was blasphemy to me and some friends that were fortunate enough to own a Porsche in their 20's. But, now that they have come such a long way from the Tiptronic, together with the reality of me sitting in traffic at times, I will only buy a PDK.
If this was 20 years ago, no way would I buy an Automatic Porsche. This was blasphemy to me and some friends that were fortunate enough to own a Porsche in their 20's. But, now that they have come such a long way from the Tiptronic, together with the reality of me sitting in traffic at times, I will only buy a PDK.
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Don't quote me on this, but I was told by a Porsche dealer that Porsche sells many more manuals in the U.S. than any other country. But, with PDK, they believe the U.S. will have a very large shift to PDK over the next 5 years. We will see.
If this was 20 years ago, no way would I buy an Automatic Porsche. This was blasphemy to me and some friends that were fortunate enough to own a Porsche in their 20's. But, now that they have come such a long way from the Tiptronic, together with the reality of me sitting in traffic at times, I will only buy a PDK.
If this was 20 years ago, no way would I buy an Automatic Porsche. This was blasphemy to me and some friends that were fortunate enough to own a Porsche in their 20's. But, now that they have come such a long way from the Tiptronic, together with the reality of me sitting in traffic at times, I will only buy a PDK.
Don’t rush to get a manual-transmission Porsche 911 yet, but it seems production of the seven-speed sports car might be limited to the next eight years.
Michael Schätzle, project manager of the new 911, said so in an interview with Automobile, citing sales figures that say 78 percent of the seventh-generation 911 sold with the PDK dual-clutch automatic
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Again don't quote me, but I believe he said they sell more manuals than automatics in the U.S., and in other countries it is the opposite. I will ask him to confirm next time I speak with him.
I just read the quote in your earlier reply and missed this quote: Michael Schätzle, project manager of the new 911, said so in an interview with Automobile, citing sales figures that say 78 percent of the seventh-generation 911 sold with the PDK dual-clutch automatic
Sounds like what I was told is accurate. All other countries are buying more automatics than the U.S., and Porsche expects the U.S. to finish the shift in the same direction with the 991 PDK.
I just read the quote in your earlier reply and missed this quote: Michael Schätzle, project manager of the new 911, said so in an interview with Automobile, citing sales figures that say 78 percent of the seventh-generation 911 sold with the PDK dual-clutch automatic
Sounds like what I was told is accurate. All other countries are buying more automatics than the U.S., and Porsche expects the U.S. to finish the shift in the same direction with the 991 PDK.
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You can't go wrong with any 997 Porsche. My wife and I each have a 2005 997.1 C2S with the 6-speed transmission.
Stick vs PDK - My opinion is that as awesome as the PDK on the newer cars is, unless you'll be tracking the car or really care about 1/10ths of a second, the "3-pedal" manual transmission cars are much more engaging and enjoyable to drive, especially when they shift as smoothly and precisely as the Porsches do. Both of our cars have SSK (short shift kits) and they make what was just great, truly sublime. Again, this is just my opinion, so no one attack me about the benefits of PDK vs stick - I know there are benefits, but I don't actually care.
Traction - As another poster already mentioned, traction on the 911s is not an issue and although you can compare AWD from other makes (like Audi's Quattro), the vehicle dynamics are different because virtually everything else has the engine at the opposite end of the car than the driving wheels (if we're talking about 2WD sports cars) whereas the 911 has it directly over the drive wheels. When I was looking to purchase my first 911, I too was looking only at C4S models until I found the one I actually bought, which is a RUF R-Kompressor modded car that was based on a narrow-body 3.8L C2S. When I drove it I fell in love and knew that was the one - colors were right, options were almost right, interior trim was right, etc. I actually picked this car up about 600 miles away and drove it home through one of the worst rainstorms of the year, partly at night too, but it never misbehaved, even through the deluge and now that I've had it for about 18 months, I'm actually glad I bought the RWD version as the vehicle dynamics are perfect. With the RWD, you can throttle steer it much easier than the AWD versions, which tend to understeer at the limit instead of being neutral or slightly over-steering. I think with the AWD cars you'd have to be going much faster to be able to experience the same type of vehicle dynamics you can create with the RWD cars. Porsche tends to agree with me as the GT cars (GT2 & GT3) are RWD versions only. I do agree with you though that the wider rear end is very sexy, although with the more "coke-bottle" 993-esque shape that Porsche went back to after the more straight-sided 996 generation, both the NB and WB cars have "hips" and I think the WB cars are only 1"-2" wider at the rear than the NB variants.
S vs non-S - Aside from the 0.2 L greater displacement which results in better mid-range punch, the S cars have other upgrades that I feel justify going with the S. Many S cars you'll find have upgraded interiors (full leather, Bose sound, PSE valved Sport Exhaust, PASM adjustable suspension, larger diameter exhaust, etc). Even if some of these are optional equipment items, people who order the S cars tend to add more options so they are often seen together. Full leather makes a huge difference as to the quality feel of the interior and in a car that costs what these do is definitely a option that should be weighed heavily.
Finally, I looked for about 2 years before finding the right car, in the right color, with the right mileage, at the right price. If you love a certain color, wait to find it, especially if you plan to keep the car for a while, as you'll be much happier long term if you buy exactly what you want than to compromise on colors or equipment, etc. In that spirit, here's the list of websites I scoured constantly looking for the right car (state in which they're located is in parentheses - funny that I actually found it on Auto-Trader.
www.racperformance.com (TX)
www.formanmotorsport.com (AZ)
www.sloancars.com (NY)
www.truspeedmotorcars.com (CA)
www.willhoitenterprises.com (MO)
www.formula1miami.com (FL)
www.victorymotorcars.com (TX)
www.nwicars.com/showroom.htm (OR)
www.chicagomotorcars.com (IL)
www.rpmsportscars.com
www.mgmsl.com
www.themiamigarage.com (FL)
www.starwoodmotors.com (TX)
www.premiersportscars.com (MO)
www.selectluxury.com (GA)
www.drivingemotions.com (FL)
www.rennlist.com
www.ecarlink.com (TX)
www.exoticclassics.com (NY)
www.pelicanparts.com
www.6speedonline.com
www.usimotors.com/porsche (TN)
www.lakenormanimports.com (NC)
www.foreigncarsitalia.com (NC)
www.ardemotorcars.com (TN)
www.musiccitymotorsports.com (TN)
www.globalmotorsports.inc (TN)
Good luck with your search and be sure to post some pictures to the 997 Owners Picture Thread once you have a new family member. Here are a couple shots of ours.
You can't go wrong with any 997 Porsche. My wife and I each have a 2005 997.1 C2S with the 6-speed transmission.
Stick vs PDK - My opinion is that as awesome as the PDK on the newer cars is, unless you'll be tracking the car or really care about 1/10ths of a second, the "3-pedal" manual transmission cars are much more engaging and enjoyable to drive, especially when they shift as smoothly and precisely as the Porsches do. Both of our cars have SSK (short shift kits) and they make what was just great, truly sublime. Again, this is just my opinion, so no one attack me about the benefits of PDK vs stick - I know there are benefits, but I don't actually care.
Traction - As another poster already mentioned, traction on the 911s is not an issue and although you can compare AWD from other makes (like Audi's Quattro), the vehicle dynamics are different because virtually everything else has the engine at the opposite end of the car than the driving wheels (if we're talking about 2WD sports cars) whereas the 911 has it directly over the drive wheels. When I was looking to purchase my first 911, I too was looking only at C4S models until I found the one I actually bought, which is a RUF R-Kompressor modded car that was based on a narrow-body 3.8L C2S. When I drove it I fell in love and knew that was the one - colors were right, options were almost right, interior trim was right, etc. I actually picked this car up about 600 miles away and drove it home through one of the worst rainstorms of the year, partly at night too, but it never misbehaved, even through the deluge and now that I've had it for about 18 months, I'm actually glad I bought the RWD version as the vehicle dynamics are perfect. With the RWD, you can throttle steer it much easier than the AWD versions, which tend to understeer at the limit instead of being neutral or slightly over-steering. I think with the AWD cars you'd have to be going much faster to be able to experience the same type of vehicle dynamics you can create with the RWD cars. Porsche tends to agree with me as the GT cars (GT2 & GT3) are RWD versions only. I do agree with you though that the wider rear end is very sexy, although with the more "coke-bottle" 993-esque shape that Porsche went back to after the more straight-sided 996 generation, both the NB and WB cars have "hips" and I think the WB cars are only 1"-2" wider at the rear than the NB variants.
S vs non-S - Aside from the 0.2 L greater displacement which results in better mid-range punch, the S cars have other upgrades that I feel justify going with the S. Many S cars you'll find have upgraded interiors (full leather, Bose sound, PSE valved Sport Exhaust, PASM adjustable suspension, larger diameter exhaust, etc). Even if some of these are optional equipment items, people who order the S cars tend to add more options so they are often seen together. Full leather makes a huge difference as to the quality feel of the interior and in a car that costs what these do is definitely a option that should be weighed heavily.
Finally, I looked for about 2 years before finding the right car, in the right color, with the right mileage, at the right price. If you love a certain color, wait to find it, especially if you plan to keep the car for a while, as you'll be much happier long term if you buy exactly what you want than to compromise on colors or equipment, etc. In that spirit, here's the list of websites I scoured constantly looking for the right car (state in which they're located is in parentheses - funny that I actually found it on Auto-Trader.
www.racperformance.com (TX)
www.formanmotorsport.com (AZ)
www.sloancars.com (NY)
www.truspeedmotorcars.com (CA)
www.willhoitenterprises.com (MO)
www.formula1miami.com (FL)
www.victorymotorcars.com (TX)
www.nwicars.com/showroom.htm (OR)
www.chicagomotorcars.com (IL)
www.rpmsportscars.com
www.mgmsl.com
www.themiamigarage.com (FL)
www.starwoodmotors.com (TX)
www.premiersportscars.com (MO)
www.selectluxury.com (GA)
www.drivingemotions.com (FL)
www.rennlist.com
www.ecarlink.com (TX)
www.exoticclassics.com (NY)
www.pelicanparts.com
www.6speedonline.com
www.usimotors.com/porsche (TN)
www.lakenormanimports.com (NC)
www.foreigncarsitalia.com (NC)
www.ardemotorcars.com (TN)
www.musiccitymotorsports.com (TN)
www.globalmotorsports.inc (TN)
Good luck with your search and be sure to post some pictures to the 997 Owners Picture Thread once you have a new family member. Here are a couple shots of ours.
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Sounds like you have solid/realistic expectations.
I got mine from Paul Miller. They are reasonable and bought the car without going there and was not disappointed, overall good dealings and fair deal.
They have a grey 2011 C4S w PDK (listed as 4s, but I think it is a C2s based on pics)
Good luck
I got mine from Paul Miller. They are reasonable and bought the car without going there and was not disappointed, overall good dealings and fair deal.
They have a grey 2011 C4S w PDK (listed as 4s, but I think it is a C2s based on pics)
Good luck
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Jeff,
You can't go wrong with any 997 Porsche. My wife and I each have a 2005 997.1 C2S with the 6-speed transmission.
Stick vs PDK - My opinion is that as awesome as the PDK on the newer cars is, unless you'll be tracking the car or really care about 1/10ths of a second, the "3-pedal" manual transmission cars are much more engaging and enjoyable to drive, especially when they shift as smoothly and precisely as the Porsches do. Both of our cars have SSK (short shift kits) and they make what was just great, truly sublime. Again, this is just my opinion, so no one attack me about the benefits of PDK vs stick - I know there are benefits, but I don't actually care.
Traction - As another poster already mentioned, traction on the 911s is not an issue and although you can compare AWD from other makes (like Audi's Quattro), the vehicle dynamics are different because virtually everything else has the engine at the opposite end of the car than the driving wheels (if we're talking about 2WD sports cars) whereas the 911 has it directly over the drive wheels. When I was looking to purchase my first 911, I too was looking only at C4S models until I found the one I actually bought, which is a RUF R-Kompressor modded car that was based on a narrow-body 3.8L C2S. When I drove it I fell in love and knew that was the one - colors were right, options were almost right, interior trim was right, etc. I actually picked this car up about 600 miles away and drove it home through one of the worst rainstorms of the year, partly at night too, but it never misbehaved, even through the deluge and now that I've had it for about 18 months, I'm actually glad I bought the RWD version as the vehicle dynamics are perfect. With the RWD, you can throttle steer it much easier than the AWD versions, which tend to understeer at the limit instead of being neutral or slightly over-steering. I think with the AWD cars you'd have to be going much faster to be able to experience the same type of vehicle dynamics you can create with the RWD cars. Porsche tends to agree with me as the GT cars (GT2 & GT3) are RWD versions only. I do agree with you though that the wider rear end is very sexy, although with the more "coke-bottle" 993-esque shape that Porsche went back to after the more straight-sided 996 generation, both the NB and WB cars have "hips" and I think the WB cars are only 1"-2" wider at the rear than the NB variants.
S vs non-S - Aside from the 0.2 L greater displacement which results in better mid-range punch, the S cars have other upgrades that I feel justify going with the S. Many S cars you'll find have upgraded interiors (full leather, Bose sound, PSE valved Sport Exhaust, PASM adjustable suspension, larger diameter exhaust, etc). Even if some of these are optional equipment items, people who order the S cars tend to add more options so they are often seen together. Full leather makes a huge difference as to the quality feel of the interior and in a car that costs what these do is definitely a option that should be weighed heavily.
Finally, I looked for about 2 years before finding the right car, in the right color, with the right mileage, at the right price. If you love a certain color, wait to find it, especially if you plan to keep the car for a while, as you'll be much happier long term if you buy exactly what you want than to compromise on colors or equipment, etc. In that spirit, here's the list of websites I scoured constantly looking for the right car (state in which they're located is in parentheses - funny that I actually found it on Auto-Trader.
www.racperformance.com (TX)
www.formanmotorsport.com (AZ)
www.sloancars.com (NY)
www.truspeedmotorcars.com (CA)
www.willhoitenterprises.com (MO)
www.formula1miami.com (FL)
www.victorymotorcars.com (TX)
www.nwicars.com/showroom.htm (OR)
www.chicagomotorcars.com (IL)
www.rpmsportscars.com
www.mgmsl.com
www.themiamigarage.com (FL)
www.starwoodmotors.com (TX)
www.premiersportscars.com (MO)
www.selectluxury.com (GA)
www.drivingemotions.com (FL)
www.rennlist.com
www.ecarlink.com (TX)
www.exoticclassics.com (NY)
www.pelicanparts.com
www.6speedonline.com
www.usimotors.com/porsche (TN)
www.lakenormanimports.com (NC)
www.foreigncarsitalia.com (NC)
www.ardemotorcars.com (TN)
www.musiccitymotorsports.com (TN)
www.globalmotorsports.inc (TN)
Good luck with your search and be sure to post some pictures to the 997 Owners Picture Thread once you have a new family member. Here are a couple shots of ours.
You can't go wrong with any 997 Porsche. My wife and I each have a 2005 997.1 C2S with the 6-speed transmission.
Stick vs PDK - My opinion is that as awesome as the PDK on the newer cars is, unless you'll be tracking the car or really care about 1/10ths of a second, the "3-pedal" manual transmission cars are much more engaging and enjoyable to drive, especially when they shift as smoothly and precisely as the Porsches do. Both of our cars have SSK (short shift kits) and they make what was just great, truly sublime. Again, this is just my opinion, so no one attack me about the benefits of PDK vs stick - I know there are benefits, but I don't actually care.
Traction - As another poster already mentioned, traction on the 911s is not an issue and although you can compare AWD from other makes (like Audi's Quattro), the vehicle dynamics are different because virtually everything else has the engine at the opposite end of the car than the driving wheels (if we're talking about 2WD sports cars) whereas the 911 has it directly over the drive wheels. When I was looking to purchase my first 911, I too was looking only at C4S models until I found the one I actually bought, which is a RUF R-Kompressor modded car that was based on a narrow-body 3.8L C2S. When I drove it I fell in love and knew that was the one - colors were right, options were almost right, interior trim was right, etc. I actually picked this car up about 600 miles away and drove it home through one of the worst rainstorms of the year, partly at night too, but it never misbehaved, even through the deluge and now that I've had it for about 18 months, I'm actually glad I bought the RWD version as the vehicle dynamics are perfect. With the RWD, you can throttle steer it much easier than the AWD versions, which tend to understeer at the limit instead of being neutral or slightly over-steering. I think with the AWD cars you'd have to be going much faster to be able to experience the same type of vehicle dynamics you can create with the RWD cars. Porsche tends to agree with me as the GT cars (GT2 & GT3) are RWD versions only. I do agree with you though that the wider rear end is very sexy, although with the more "coke-bottle" 993-esque shape that Porsche went back to after the more straight-sided 996 generation, both the NB and WB cars have "hips" and I think the WB cars are only 1"-2" wider at the rear than the NB variants.
S vs non-S - Aside from the 0.2 L greater displacement which results in better mid-range punch, the S cars have other upgrades that I feel justify going with the S. Many S cars you'll find have upgraded interiors (full leather, Bose sound, PSE valved Sport Exhaust, PASM adjustable suspension, larger diameter exhaust, etc). Even if some of these are optional equipment items, people who order the S cars tend to add more options so they are often seen together. Full leather makes a huge difference as to the quality feel of the interior and in a car that costs what these do is definitely a option that should be weighed heavily.
Finally, I looked for about 2 years before finding the right car, in the right color, with the right mileage, at the right price. If you love a certain color, wait to find it, especially if you plan to keep the car for a while, as you'll be much happier long term if you buy exactly what you want than to compromise on colors or equipment, etc. In that spirit, here's the list of websites I scoured constantly looking for the right car (state in which they're located is in parentheses - funny that I actually found it on Auto-Trader.
www.racperformance.com (TX)
www.formanmotorsport.com (AZ)
www.sloancars.com (NY)
www.truspeedmotorcars.com (CA)
www.willhoitenterprises.com (MO)
www.formula1miami.com (FL)
www.victorymotorcars.com (TX)
www.nwicars.com/showroom.htm (OR)
www.chicagomotorcars.com (IL)
www.rpmsportscars.com
www.mgmsl.com
www.themiamigarage.com (FL)
www.starwoodmotors.com (TX)
www.premiersportscars.com (MO)
www.selectluxury.com (GA)
www.drivingemotions.com (FL)
www.rennlist.com
www.ecarlink.com (TX)
www.exoticclassics.com (NY)
www.pelicanparts.com
www.6speedonline.com
www.usimotors.com/porsche (TN)
www.lakenormanimports.com (NC)
www.foreigncarsitalia.com (NC)
www.ardemotorcars.com (TN)
www.musiccitymotorsports.com (TN)
www.globalmotorsports.inc (TN)
Good luck with your search and be sure to post some pictures to the 997 Owners Picture Thread once you have a new family member. Here are a couple shots of ours.
With all the C2S's out there and all the feedback on how well the C2S tracks on wet roads, I am starting to think more and more about expanding my search to C2S's as well. As I learn more, my search criteria is changing. For example, at first I only wanted a Cabriolet. Now I am leaning more in the direction of a Coupe. I honestly like the look of a coupe more than a CAB. I guess if I want to enjoy the sensation of a convertible, I will go on my boat.
. But, if a Cab shows up with all my other criteria, I will buy it. Appreciate the web sites you sent! Jeff
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**sorry this is off topic**
Petza914 - who makes the front bumper for the gray Pcar ? it looks great !
(BTW, personally, i do not like the Porsche badge in the rear of both cars.. it takes away from clean rear.. but to each their own)
Petza914 - who makes the front bumper for the gray Pcar ? it looks great !
(BTW, personally, i do not like the Porsche badge in the rear of both cars.. it takes away from clean rear.. but to each their own)
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Front Bumper question
Anyway, to answer your question, the front bumper on the GT Silver car is by RUF and it's part of the supercharger R-Kompressor kit that's installed, which includes a 3rd radiator mounted in the center, upper air exit vent, along with larger side air intakes to keep the engine cooled properly due to the extra 100 HP it generates.
The car also has a RUF RGT-style bumper on the rear with the custom through-bumper oval exhausts, but that bumper is NLA from them. When I did that mod, I cut away the factory heat-shielding in the area where the bumper vents are located so you can actually see the Fabspeed Valvetronic actuators work through the holes in the bumper and it helps allow heat from the exhaust to escape out the bumper side vents.
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Like you say, to each their own - I feel the rear badges give the car front to back symmetry and since the RUF carbon engine decklid on mine no longer had any type of Porsche or model nomenclature (just the R-Kompressor script), I thought it was a nice additioin. My wife asked that I do it to hers too.
Anyway, to answer your question, the front bumper on the GT Silver car is by RUF and it's part of the supercharger R-Kompressor kit that's installed, which includes a 3rd radiator mounted in the center, upper air exit vent, along with larger side air intakes to keep the engine cooled properly due to the extra 100 HP it generates.
The car also has a RUF RGT-style bumper on the rear with the custom through-bumper oval exhausts, but that bumper is NLA from them. When I did that mod, I cut away the factory heat-shielding in the area where the bumper vents are located so you can actually see the Fabspeed Valvetronic actuators work through the holes in the bumper and it helps allow heat from the exhaust to escape out the bumper side vents.
Anyway, to answer your question, the front bumper on the GT Silver car is by RUF and it's part of the supercharger R-Kompressor kit that's installed, which includes a 3rd radiator mounted in the center, upper air exit vent, along with larger side air intakes to keep the engine cooled properly due to the extra 100 HP it generates.
The car also has a RUF RGT-style bumper on the rear with the custom through-bumper oval exhausts, but that bumper is NLA from them. When I did that mod, I cut away the factory heat-shielding in the area where the bumper vents are located so you can actually see the Fabspeed Valvetronic actuators work through the holes in the bumper and it helps allow heat from the exhaust to escape out the bumper side vents.
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The front bumper is still available, it's just this style rear with the through-bump exhaust that's not. They still have rear bumper offerings that are similar with same side vents, it's just the rear that's different at the exhaust outlets where they look more OEM with the tips in openings at the bottom of the bumper.
I still think they make the Kompressor kit too if you were looking to do the S/C kit and the requisite front bumper with additional radiator. You can send me a PM or email to petza914@gmail.com if you want any addt'l info or to Mike at RUF's US Distributor in Southfield, MI.
I still think they make the Kompressor kit too if you were looking to do the S/C kit and the requisite front bumper with additional radiator. You can send me a PM or email to petza914@gmail.com if you want any addt'l info or to Mike at RUF's US Distributor in Southfield, MI.
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i figured it was RUF front.. I was interested in one couple of years ago but couldn't justify the price for a new one vs OEM gt3 bumper. LOL
but it looks great !
if u ever wanna part with it, let me know ! haha
-Apology to the OP again- but u look like u are on a right track. BOL
but it looks great !
if u ever wanna part with it, let me know ! haha
-Apology to the OP again- but u look like u are on a right track. BOL