Is this exhaust the best?

2015 is upon us, that mean new budget. I have been toying the idea upgrade my PSE exhaust to aftermarket headers and 200 cells cats.

With extensive research, I am leaning toward crossed-over vs. x-pipe. From what I gather, AWE exhaust seem to be one of the top.

I also considering FVD Brombacher, made in Germany...can't go wrong there, right.

What your opinion.

Thank you in advance.

 

AWE or Fabspeed get great reviews. Haven't seen a lot of people talk about the FVD
From what I have read crossover vx x-pipe doesn't make a real difference one way or the other except for installation. Crossover pipes are easier to install.

 

I'm encouraged to hear that. I'd read that you give up some low end torque with X pipes vs crossovers. I just ordered some Fabspeeds, and that was my only concern. I've heard good things about FVD, but more good things about Fabspeed.

 

FVD cats are individual U-Design by M&M. They are not X-Pipe like Fabspeed, nor crossover like AWE. The premise of their U-Design is to minimize torque loss in the lower rpm and maximize HP in the upper rpm. We all know that a high flow cat will lose low rpm torque and gain high end HP. The U-Design allows some back pressure to minimize low TQ loss.

 

what they said on their website...maybe the $4K+ should be spend in other mod. Or maybe will stop mod the car...upgrade to TT.

 

I would be happy to assist you with 200 cell cats and headers for your 997.

Our sport cat x-pipe adds a nice amount of power along with replacing your OEM catalytic converters that may beginning to clog and wear out.

http://www.fabspeed.com/porsche-997-...rt-cat-x-pipe/

http://www.fabspeed.com/porsche-997-...sport-headers/

Feel free to drop me a PM or email - don't forget we offer Forum Member Discounts as well!

 

Tphan,

Just to let you know, the FVD headers and cats that would mate up to your PSE (our part # BES 997 192 00S) are manufactured by M&M Exhaust in Germany. M&M is the manufacturer to POMO in Weissach, Manthey, Callaway and many other premier racing manufacturers. Everything that they have learned over the years in Endurance racing is incorporated in the street car systems that we sell. To give you an example, I went into depth about how the latest headers we manufactured (please click on this link), this is the same exact design as what we are currently selling for the 997.1 & 997.2 headers and cats. If you are looking for the most torque and hp out of a set of headers and cats then you really can't argue with the logic from POMO in Weissach. They will only buy from vendors that give them the most torque and horsepower period, that holds true for us as well.

Not to mention, you will receive 10% off on the headers and cats with your 6 speed discount.

Hope that info helps and I will be glad to assist you with anymore questions that you have.

Thanks,
Rhonda

 

Thanks Rhonda for the link you provided. I am a believer in M&M the first time I received my long tube headers for my Supercharged C2S from you guys. The quality of the headers were top notch, compared to the X-51 headers that I had. After mating them to the OEM cats and Fister exhaust, I took my car out for a spin. Immediately I noticed the sound from 3K onward was intoxicating. I also noticed a more firm pull from that point compared to the X-51 headers that did not let off until redline, but I could tell there was still a feeling of restriction from 6500 rpm onward. When I put on FVD U-Design CATS from M&M (again, quality was second to none), first thing I noticed when I got on the gas, was that intoxicating flat 6 sound was now even more pronounced, with a little bit of raspiness. Kind of like a Cup Car! But what surprised me was how effortlessly the car pulled from 3K to redline. There was a 2nd bump in power at 6K before when I had the X-51 and OEM CATS, but now, with the M&M Headers + CATS combo, that 2nd bump @ 6K to redline, felt more like a shove! The power did not let off until I hit the rev limiter @ 7200!

I have to admit, the quality, sound, and power from the M&M/FVD set up was what I was looking for all along, and now I finally found it! Thanks again for your insights, honesty, and recommendations Rhonda.

 

Would FVD headers and U-pipe/cats combo work with Tubi catback exhaust for a 997.2?

I suppose the U pipe would replace the Tubi crossover pipe and should bolt onto Tubi mufflers just fine?

 

Great information, keep them coming. Haven't hear much comments about AWE Exhaust. I have decided to buy new, would like get the right stuff the first time.

Based on Rhonda provided info, the write up on mandrel bend pipe & double flanges make perfect sense to me.

 

Listed on FVD website there are two variety header types for 997.1

Part no. 210 111 997
Part no. BES 997 110 00S

I can see the different in tubing design, bend vs. section welded.

To Rhonda, or any1 here, why should I not go with the less expensive model and not the other and vice versa.

Thanks!

 

For maximum TQ, you want to go with the BES long tube design, as they are made by M&M. The other one is made by another outfit, IIRC. The BES one also mates perfectly with the U-Design CATS in terms of diameter. Not sure about the other one.

 

As long as the Tubi mufflers connect with a sleeve like factory you should be fine. Our cats would replace the Tubi crossover and connect to the mufflers with the OEM sleeve. Here is the link to what we offer for headers and cats on the 997.2 (click here)

Again you would receive a 10% discount on the retail price with your 6 Speed Membership.

These are made to order by hand at M&M so typical lead times are between 1-3 weeks.

Rhonda

 

Our part # 210 111 997 is built by JP Group in Denmark. JP Group is a supplier to Porsche. The quality is very good and they make good power for the money. Having said that, if you are looking for the most torque I would recommend the more expensive M&M product. The devil is in the details with headers and a supplier that lives in the Motorsports world can extract more power and torque. If you plan to keep the car for a long time I would recommend the M&M product as in the long run you will be far more happy. Each time you flog the throttle and feel the rush of torque, you can't help smiling. That in itself makes the car easier to live with and makes jumping into something else that will just depreciate more quickly a little harder.

 

I love to hear that and am so glad you are happy. From one Porsche enthusiast to another I am glad you took my advice and went with the M&M exhaust option from us. I knew that you would be happy, just as I have been with the M&M products on both of my Porsche's (987.1 S and 964 C4). Your descriptions of the power are nice to hear as very little is said about exhaust with supercharged cars. The M&M combination of the headers and cats naturally aspirated cars will make a very similar bump in power above 3K and will pull extremely hard in the higher rpms as well.