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Old 09-22-2017, 12:08 PM
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Any V12S Dogleg owners here?

Have not seen any reviews from owners yet.

Thinking of getting one. Drove it a while back. Like it a lot.
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Not an owner, but I've driven one for a day. Very awkward to get used to, but rewarding when you get it right.

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I have not driven one, however I am not a fan of the dogleg shift pattern. On a street car you are usually executing 1st. to 2nd. shift a lot more than the 6th.to 7th. And that's the problem, the 1st. To 2nd. shift potentially sucks. In addition, as per a road test done by an English magazine, the ratios between gears are short, so you tend to be shifting a lot.
IMHO the 7th. gear is there only to improve gas mileage, it offers no performance advantage.
That said if I were to buy a dogleg 7 speed manual I woul look into converting the linkage to a sequencial gearbox.
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I have not driven one, however I am not a fan of the dogleg shift pattern. On a street car you are usually executing 1st. to 2nd. shift a lot more than the 6th.to 7th. And that's the problem, the 1st. To 2nd. shift potentially sucks. In addition, as per a road test done by an English magazine, the ratios between gears are short, so you tend to be shifting a lot.
IMHO the 7th. gear is there only to improve gas mileage, it offers no performance advantage.
That said if I were to buy a dogleg 7 speed manual I woul look into converting the linkage to a sequencial gearbox.
I've not driven one, probably will never get the chance, and am jealous of the guys who do. Having said that, in a car with the kind of torque that the V12 makes, you don't really need 7 or even 6 gears. But, today all transmissions need to be at least 6. It's marketing, whatever. Because of that torque and the tight gearing, you probably never really need 1st gear anyway.
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think they went 7 just because they added a clutch pedal to the existing 7 speed ASM, then they hype the dogleg as a marketing advantage.
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The dogleg has it's advantages on track where you'll never put it in first, but as said, on the street hard launching off a light and slamming second takes on a different geometry you would no doubt get used to, but I would prefer to have a straight H pattern as our 6 speeds.
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Thanks all.

Got a feeling those who bought one probably do not visit the forums much too.

My first impression is the car is really well sorted out by now. They might have fixed all the glitches they learned from previous MYs. I tried moving off the line with 2nd gear and it felt ok. Sales person said it won't affect warranty. So it seems gear 1 is 0.5, and every gear after that is a n-1.

Intention is to keep the current design in my collection for a while. 2011 and 2012 V12 are getting harder to find which lead me to believe that perhaps doglegs will be rare at some point.

Not convinced about getting the V12S with SportShift transmission yet, though I reckon those will be rare birds at some point.
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Piggyback on my own thread.

I ended up scoring a dogleg. This would be my 3rd AM. Previously had two Vantages V8 ('07 and '14), both in manual shift. I always knew that I need another Brit in the garage. Test drove the 570S, 650S. Just not a fan of turbo-ed engines.

The V12VSM is decently equipped albeit no sports-plus pack. The wheels and 5hp bump are nice. But this option is limited to certain colors and I can't deal with those colors especially with the graphics pack and overloaded alcantara interior.

Put down a couple of hundreds of miles already and I must say the car brings me a big wide smile every time I shift. Didn't take long to master the new shift pattern. AMShift is conveniently spot on. There's no doubt a sensory overload when driving this car. I can almost taste the combustion chambers igniting, gears meshing, pistons pumping and hydraulics damping. So engineered yet primal.

Love the adjustable Sport & Track suspension setting. Not looking to compare this to a GT3 but it's pretty damn good. I feel that Matt Becker might have tweaked this car a bit and now I really want to track this car.

The AMi III entertainment system is a good improvement from the previous version. BT pairing, audio adjustments etc are so much easier. More intuitive UI and especially with Android Auto/Apple Carplay, you can just rely on Google maps.

Chris Harris said it best when he reviewed this car:

"Anyone who has got one of these, should be very very pleased with their purchase."

Pics to follow soon once I wash the car.
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Congrats

look forward to the pics

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Awesome, I saw a dogleg v12S randomly in the outer area parking lot at the concours d'elegance in Lake forest, I was like holy **** once I realized what it was

Definitely my dream car, but I'd be ok even with a 2011 V12V some day
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Had a dog leg in my Maserati a long time ago and liked it. Makes more sense to me.
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You lucky dog, we need photos. What dealer did you purchase from? Did you get any kind of deal?
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