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Old Mar 2, 2010 | 01:53 PM
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Well I have taken one step forward and asked the dealer to do a pre-delivery inspection and I asked to be provided with a full report. I want to see what the dealer will suggest i norder to have the car in new condition. Surely this is one of the most expensive and prestigious cars sold by Audi and I don't think Audi would allow itself to have a car on the street in bad condition, in particular when the car is bought from the dealer.

This was two days ago and I was told that it would take 4 to 5 days for all the tests and inspections to be completed. I also asked for the wheels to be changed. Obviously there is no commitment on my part and I made it clear that I still have to see the car in its new condition before I decide.

I will go out to the workshop on Wednesday morning to take a peak at what they are doing and hopefully I will be able to take some pictures for posting.
 
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As a current owner I can tell you it's a phenomenal car, I love mine.
 
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I went to the workshop this morning to look at the car. It was being polished waxed after two days of testing. I saw the reports and the car had no electrical or mechanical faults reported, but the battery had to be replaced.

I have asked for the tyres to be changed, but they look good with no flat points apparent because they used to drive the car around the parking lot just to rotate the wheels.

I took a couple of pictures of the car after the wash and before the polishing
 
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Originally Posted by PCH
Ceramic brakes were not offered on the S8.
they were, outside of the US. it was one of those things that were announced when the car was introduced, then removed for NA.

the fingerprint reader is a dead giveaway that this isn't a US market car -- we simply aren't important enough to get cool goodies like that
 
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Originally Posted by kabbanid
I went to the workshop this morning to look at the car. It was being polished waxed after two days of testing. I saw the reports and the car had no electrical or mechanical faults reported, but the battery had to be replaced.

I have asked for the tyres to be changed, but they look good with no flat points apparent because they used to drive the car around the parking lot just to rotate the wheels.

I took a couple of pictures of the car after the wash and before the polishing
the car "looks" great, hope everything works out, if you do get one you'll love it.
 
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are you from US? license plate holes seem like it was from outside of US. this car is very exclusive isnt it? only 500 per year was imported to US or something like that?
 
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Originally Posted by PCH
Ceramic brakes were not offered on the S8.
Huh - of course the Audi ceramic brakes were offered on the S8 - but only as a factory fitted option - UK list price was GBP 6,000.00. The fronts are identical spec to the RS4 and R8 ceramics at 380mm dia with an alloy 6-pot Brembo monobloc caliper, and the rears are 356mm dia.

And IMVHO - if the S8 is to be driven <cough>as designed<cough> - then the ceramic brakes are an absolute must.
 
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Originally Posted by kabbanid
I went out today just to get you guys some pictures so you know better what I am talking about and the situations the cars are in.

Wow - those cars are minging. If the paintwork is genuinely bad, then take the silver one - black and dark coloured paints will generally show up imperfections (including swirl marks from buffing) much more than light colours such as white or silver. Thankfully, the paintshop at Neckarsulm puts a really thick clearcoat on.
 
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Originally Posted by kabbanid
I went to the workshop this morning to look at the car. It was being polished waxed after two days of testing. I saw the reports and the car had no electrical or mechanical faults reported, but the battery had to be replaced.

I have asked for the tyres to be changed, but they look good with no flat points apparent because they used to drive the car around the parking lot just to rotate the wheels.

I took a couple of pictures of the car after the wash and before the polishing
There is something which doesn't look quite right -


It looks like it has ceramic brakes on the front - but conventional steels on the rear. The S8 ceramic brake option included ceramics on all four wheels!
 
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Good point Teutonic-Tamer, will check the ceramics tomorrow. I saw the car today at the dealership and it looks great. Dealer accepted further discount (I know someone who knows someone) and he is changing the tyres tomorrow, not sure if Pirellis P Zero or Dunlops, my preference goes for the Pirellis although I was told they have a firmer ride.
 
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Originally Posted by cheez80
they were, outside of the US. it was one of those things that were announced when the car was introduced, then removed for NA.

the fingerprint reader is a dead giveaway that this isn't a US market car -- we simply aren't important enough to get cool goodies like that
But you do get considerably cheaper MSRPs (in real terms) than we do here in the UK and Europe!
 
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Originally Posted by kabbanid
Good point Teutonic-Tamer, will check the ceramics tomorrow. I saw the car today at the dealership and it looks great. Dealer accepted further discount (I know someone who knows someone) and he is changing the tyres tomorrow, not sure if Pirellis P Zero or Dunlops, my preference goes for the Pirellis although I was told they have a firmer ride.
Ooooh - the Pirellis are actully the softest ride. Speaking from direct experience, along with relaying others experiences - of all the OEM standard tyres on the B7 RS4, the Pirelli P-Zero Rossos were the WORST tyres. Yes, they gave very good grip, especially in low-speed but tight hairpin bends - but they were very poor with their 'load carrying' abilities. Terrible directional stabilty (low, medium or high speeds - and on the straight or in turns) - they would cause the steering wheel to constantly tug and pull over every minor road defect (cats eyes, white lines, overbanding, drain/manhole covers, tram lines [real iron tram lines], and rutting caused by heavy trucks). And some even suffered from unexplained sidewall blow-outs from relatively 'mild' potholes. Oh, and they were completely 'overwhealmed' by the power of my Ceramic brakes. IMVHO - a very poor factory-fit tyre for the B7 RS4 - and especially so with the Ceramics. I binned mine after just 4,000 miles!

So on the even heavier S8 - I would strongly recommend avoiding Pirellis, and recommend either Michelin Pilot Sport PS2, or the latest Michelin Pilot Sport 3 (which are even better than the PS2), or Continental ContiSportContact3. The Michelins give better outright grip, and are awesome in the wet (not partiularly useful for your current location! ), whereas the Conti3 is very slightly down on outright grip, but better on dynamic stability, especially at V-max on German autobhans.

Dunlops are a 'mixed bag'. They seem to have what could best be described as 'quality control' issues. Of the original 'SportMaxx' (directional) - I personally found them very poor on a Mk5 Golf GTI, and many others on the UK GolfGTI forum also reported the same (basically not very good grip, static deformation, and shocking wet weather performance - inducing many an involuntary relaxation of the **** sphincter ). However, the same when fitted to a Mk5 R32 seemed to offer slightly better (read: adequate) grip (still **** in the wet, and still suffered static deformation). However, I've personally given Dunlop SportMaxx GT (asymmetric) a very hard time on a C6 RS6 Avant (and these are probably what would be fitted to an S8) - and whilst they were an improvement grip-wise, I still personally didn't think they were as good as say Mich PS2.

HTH
 
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Teutonic-Tamer many many thanks for your detailed insight on the wheels. I just came from the dealer and it seems that they have the continentals, did not know which ones, but they came from Audi along with new rims that someone ordered and then just cancelled.

BTW I sent Teutonic-Tamer a PM and it would be a shame not share his views with you. Here it is.

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I think most of the potential problems/concerns were addressed in the thread. Basically, a checklist for a new car in long storage (or similar circumstances) could be something like:
  • Paintwork (well covered in the thread)
  • Tyres - should IMVHO be replaced (unless the dealer has good documentation that the car has been moved regularly, or has been stored on jacks - wheels in the air). Tyres can not only go 'off' with age (cracks in the rubber, and the rubber actually age hardening), but they can also suffer from 'static deformation'. Some tyres are much worse than others - generally, those with softer and weaker tyre 'carcasses' <sp?> such as Pirelli and Dunlop.
  • Rubber comonents - a very careful examination of all rubber components. The most obvious are the 8 driveshaft joint gaitors. Others are all the suspension bushes along with the rubber bump-stops. Steering gear gaitors and swivel joint boots. Under bonnet/hood hoses, such as coolant, air con, power steering, and oil cooler (engine and tranny) lines. Flexible brake hoses. And finally, rubber door and trunk seals
  • Filters - as a minimum, I would ask for both engine air filters to be renewed (and the airboxes and intake trunking cleaned - it is not unknown for small birds or small mamals, along with spiders and insects to nest in such places). I would also ask for the cabin pollen/odour filter to be replaced. Finally, I would push for the fuel filter to be replaced. I'm sure you know that petrol can go 'stale' when stored for any length of time - basically it forms a solid 'gum', and can often cause a 'varnish' build up. This is why petrol lawnmowers are difficult to start after coming out of 'winter hibernation' - and two years is exceedingly stale petrol. I would actually recommend the fuel filter being changed after say 250-500 miles (rather than first delivery to you) - this will give a tank or too of 'fresh' petrol to thoroughly dissolve and flush out the fuel tank.
  • Corrosion - I don't know how far 'inland' the cars have been stored, but if there is any chance of 'sea air', laden with salt, being blown onto those cars - then particularly bare alloys, such as suspension arms and alternators need checking. Suspension arms shouldn't really be any problem - but corroded alternators which haven't turned for two years can be highly problematic. Might not be advisable to press for a new alternator before delivery - but make sure you insist on some kind of 'no quibble' replacement should any fault develop (rather than allowing the dealer to go through a whole raft of 'diagnostic procedures' before agreeing to change it).
  • Service - being as the car has stood for two years - this takes it into the territory of needing a main inspection service - so this MUST be done. Don't let them fob you off with just an oil change or fluid service. And make sure the service book is stamped, and you get not only an invoice/receipt - but also the 'tick box' check sheet which the workshop technician should use. Not all dealers give you this latter check sheet, but you are fully entitled to it - and it forms a vital 'belt and braces' history for the car.
One potential issue which was sort of concerning me is the warranty and servicing package. I'm guessing you are in the middle east - but what if you move back to the US and take the car back with you? Is the warranty/service restricted to the dealer in the desert who is selling the car, or is it all being underwritten by the 'country' importer. And more importantly, will that warranty and servicing package be 'transferrable' back to Audi of America (and their network of dealers). It is not uncommon for a dealership to offer their own warranty in scenarios similar to yours - but for those said warranties NOT to be honoured by say Audi of Dubai / Audi UK / Audi of America, etc - all of which would be tied into the central Audi AG Germany warranty and technical support.


Another issue is the mileage - you said they were all basically delivery mileage, and the photos you provided confirmed the low mileage. However, as I hope you know, modern 'digital dashboards' can be very easily 'clocked' (the mileage wound back) with just a laptop and the right software. However, the 'true' mileage is still 'hard coded' in one of the cars ECUs. Do you have, or know anybody who has VAG-COM or VCDS, as that can read all of the ECUs memories in exactly the same way as the genuine Audi dealership equipment can. Might just be worth checking for some piece of mind.

Onto prices and 'packages' - being as I'm in the UK, I can't really comment on these. Re the Ceramic brakes - my comment on them being fitted to front and rear is based on UK fitments, so some slight caution should be taken with my comment, as different locales may have different 'specs' - however, I personally very strongly doubt that the S8 would be front only for the Ceramics. From my research, the only Audi to be fitted with front-only Ceramics is the RS4 - the R8, the S6 and the RS6, along with Volkswagen Group related cars such as Bentleys, Lambos and the mighty Veyron all have four-wheel Ceramic brakes. To confirm for yourself, look either the inside front cover of the service book, and/or under the boot/trunk floor carpet - and you should find a 'data sticker'. The lower half is usually full of three digit codes, known as 'PR' numbers - the front Ceramic brakes are coded with '1LW', and the rears are '1KU'.

Hope this all helps, Sean.
I actually saw the pre-delivery inspection report, although like you said they were reluctant to show it to me at first. The only faults the car had were due to changing the battery, so ABS light and Tyre Pressure Monitoring System had to be resetted. The diagnostic showed that the car had no issues.

This is Audi diagnostic system, so I guess I can only trust it.

Back to the Rubbers and filters. I am not sure what is normally changed on pre-delivery inspection, but I guess they did not change anything (although I am sure they would have replaced any defective looking parts or rubbers) and I have to make sure I go to an early service and ask for those to be changed along with the fuel and air filters. I guess I just have to complain hard enough in order to have those items changed outside their requisite service times (and I guess these are not normally changed on the first service).

But back to PDI, do you know if its is similar to a first service? (i.e. lubs. and filters change) or is it just testing to check if everything is working?

Thanks again for your answers, I find them very useful.
 
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good luck with the purchase. the s8 has a perfect blend of sport and luxury. so understated, that nobody will know what just passed them!
 
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Please tell me you didn't pressure wash the engine? Definitely go with the Pirellis
 

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