I agree! but I have no intention to track the car. I also don't want to hear my wife complaining like she did about the ride in the C55. The regular suspension is stiff enough and rides great for the street. However, if you want a performance suspension you are better off not getting the PP from MBenz and spending @ $2,500 and having Renntech upgrade the stock one. The only must is the LSD!

 

You need to stop posting. After your little rant where you use a modified car as your backup and make a mistake you want everyone to simply take your word that the C63 is faster? M5board is biased, right, when the C63 wins it isn't but when it loses it is. At least you put a smile on my face with your nonsense, if BlackC63's father lets him take the his car out on weekends I would gladly meet up and put it to a rest. Don't be surprised when the M3 pulls. I had to shut C32 owners up back in the day with my E46 M3 as well.

You obviously have no experience with the M3 DCT, sorry, your testimonials are worth about as much as your post of a stock C63 running a 12.1 @ 116. You want to deal with facts? Deal with the M5board video as evidence, where the C63 owner himself posted on Mbworld he flat out was beat. That is called reality.

Better handling? Seriously, your post should have been deleted after that. The ONLY performance aspect of the M3 the C63 can hope to match is the staight line, period. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Read the Motor Trend best handling car issue and see what the DCT M3 did around Laguna Seca. It was a few tenths off the 997 turbo's time and finished third overall, behind the R8 and GTR.

So the only thing you have to hang on to now is the aftermarket? I sure hope a 6.2 liter with a much lower specific output has aftermarket potential. Don't forget, the C32 guys ran their mouths when the car first came out that the E46 M3 had no aftermarket potential. Where are they now? When boost comes for the E92 M3, watch out.

 

This is in stark contrast to the position you held before as to which car is faster.

 

I see that you still need some work with your reading comprehension. The C63 is clearly faster if you took the opportunity to read any car magazine or actually drove the car. However, I don't consider 3/10th's in the quarter to be a significant difference. My point if you did not yet get it is that the C63 feels much faster and is much more fun to drive on the street.

You stilll sound a bit frustrated and defensive with your knee-jerk decision to buy an M3 because Car & Driver rated the car higher then the C63 and did not tell you what I know! It would be best for you to store the M3 at the track and buy a C63 for your everyday driver. That way you will be able to reach the pinnacle of satisfaction and your frustation will be over !

At a minimum, I highly recommend that you test drive a C63 instead of relying on third party information to make your points.

 

What are you babbling about? On what page did I say the C63 would feel faster, I think page 1? After that now you have changed your tone.

The C63 isn't clearly faster, MEET up and prove it. All these C63 people would rather just keyboard race. If you want to use the excuse of not racing on the street California speedway has street legal drag days in November, does that work for you?

 

as far as straight line acceleration goes...stock the c63 traps ~116, the m3 traps ~113. the m3 is def faster on a track (although i dont know much about the performance of the c63 with the performance pack). its just a matter of preference...

 

To be honest, I just threw up after reading the three paragraph of senseless nonsense you call facts. I've driven both cars back to back. The M3 I've driven was not DCT I explained this a few posts back. I agree that DCT will be faster, but not that much faster, what I'm trying to say is that it still won't make a big enough difference to "own" the C63. The C63 is not much heavier, has 7 gears as well, and also has twice the amount of torque the M3 does. Torque wins races... The video you posted from M5boards is a good laugh. The C63 lost by like 10 car lengths. It has twice the torque and much more hp, the same amount of gears, and shifts a couple milliseconds slower.

The video I posted is not of a modded car. The camera man clearly loudly says "bone stock c63 right here" in the video after he excuses those blocking his view. IT'S A STOCK CAR - NOT MODDED! That's reality - the reality you refuse to acknowledge. Many other independent car magazines show the C63 running 12.1-12.5 @ 114-116 mph. I know Magazines aren't reputable, but it's on par with what owners are getting as well.

As for the M3 being the best handling car. I would argue with that. It's a great handling car, but it's heavy, and you can feel that. It feels great though. The C63 with performance package would give it a serious run for it's money - ask anyone who has driven one. The car feels like a totally different car. The M3 is not that much faster on the track then the stock non PP C63 AMG. The biggest issue the C63 had against the M3 on the track was the fact that it did not have an LSD and constantly spin the tires around corners (see the tiff needle M3 vs C63 comparison). The PP equipped car will definitely be at least equal if not slightly faster. That's not to say that the M3 won't still feel more involved - it probably will. The C63 is a Mercedes after all.

I've never been a fan of forced induction on BMW M cars. The reliability is sacrificed tremendously. Not to mention the cost of building a car like that and owning and maintaing one usually out prices the original cost of the car. Owning a e46 with $45,000 worth of mods that is barely as quick as a stock 996TT X50 is stupid in my book.

I really hope this happens. I'd love to see both cars in an equal unbiased race from a stop and from a roll.

 

wow...fun post this turned into.
just to recap, from a non-car junkie point of view.
I agree that in a straightline the M3 feels a bit average, but is nonetheless fun to drive and takes curves nicely...I also like the understated styling/coupe and better gas mileage. But I cannot for the life of me understand its pricing....I dont think I would pay 10grand more for an m3 coupe than a c63....i understand i am comparing the price of a coupe to a sedan and it depends on options but still the price increase is significant.
Though I know nothing about engines and numbers, I even felt as though the m3 had low torque for the type of car it is and its competition....the isf felt much livelier...but the center stack looks like it came out of a camry...
anyways,
thanks again.
I made an offer on an M3 coupe with dct, I will see if he accepts, otherwise, I will wait till i can take the c63 for a real test drive...but as a dd i wouldnt take it with the performance pack.
thanks again.

 

I thought your reading comprehension was poor but I now see you need some help with your math!

A conservative 12.5 (12.3 per Car & Driver) compared to a 12.6 in the quarter is faster! Have you noticed that not one other person agrees with you? In a straight line, the C63 is clearly faster then an M3.

Also, please explain to everyone why the M3's are discounted at least $1,500 on Cars Direct as opposed to no discount for the C63. I wonder??? Could the answer be because the C63 is in higher demand and a more exciting car to drive on the street? How often do you take your car to the track, 6 times a year at best?

 

does all the torque and lack of edc and all the customizable options(suspension softer and all that) make the m3 a better dd than the c63. or the c63 in comfort without hard amg suspension is better>
thanks
i personally found my s550 boat more peppy off the line than an m3...using paddleshift and without

 

Why don't you stop typing and step up? How about $500 on the line? Is that incentive enough? If you are so sure take your ***** out of your purse and meet up and run.

What is the hold up? Do you even have a C63?

 

I may have to take you up on your offer, since it's hard to find any M3's on the road. They have been out since March and they are stock piling at the dealers. You must be a BMW salesman and are very concerned about unloading your inventory of M3's!

I am getting ready to install the Renntech ECU 2 upgrade which will leave you starring at my back bumper wishing you had an engine to mod. I can fit your 4.0 liter in my glovebox! You would have been better off with a 335i and that is another reason why BMW is going to be stuck with a lot of new cars with only 295lbs of torque.

 

I see a lot more M3's on the street than C63's, but that is besides the point. You say the C63 is more fun as a daily driver. Fun is subjective. I find high revving, high hp, great handling cars more fun. I find bloated cars with big toquey V8's fun for short periods of time(donuts, burnouts etc. nothing I would do on the street) and absolutely boring on the track. I would rather be able to have fun driving home on the windy roads of Las Virgenes with an m3. The torque of a C63 does nothing for me there. For the street and freeway the m3 is more than capable of fast acceleration in the middle of a gear. Most of the time I don't drive too crazy on the freeway or street anyways. I have driven both the m3 and c63 and find the m3 much more fun to drive. The car feels more precise, less bloated and is high revving. The C63 is a great car and I'm happy you enjoy your car, but forcing your subjective thoughts of fun on someone else is pointless. The c63 is one of the best handling MB's I've driven, but it still feels bloated and the interior is very cheap feeling. Gas? I've been reading that C63's have been averaging 11 mpg with moderately aggressive driving and 18mpg for the m3. I'm not saying it isn't a great car, but it isn't fun for me. With that said, I personally don't like either car particularly and that is why I will most likely be purchasing a used 997S. Great cars, just not my cup of tea.

 

You need an ECU to take me? You are a joke.

Go ahead and install the ECU, when you have the ***** to step up my M3 will be ready, regardless of your ecu or not.

 

You sound very insecure. A lot like one of those Mustang boys.