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Honestly, dynos can be manipulated to show almost anything these days. its not worth it. i happen to agree with c70pete, but i dont want this to explode into something where everyone insults everyone and what they drive and how they drive etc etc etc. i dont think we need this to go any further. one thinks one thing, the other thinks another, neither of you are going to change your opinion, so why even bother?
The thing is we are in the right...
I can go find my dyno I guess if I have to... I would at least like to attest to the torque curve. Any stock for stock dyno of a 3.4 vs. S54 is going to show a 25-35 rwhp advantage to the M3 along with a torque figure to match. That is reality.
You are right, no point in continuing I guess, I respect you for remaining civil and having a mature debate unlike the other guy.
Originally Posted by sticky
Honestly, dynos can be manipulated to show almost anything these days. its not worth it. i happen to agree with c70pete, but i dont want this to explode into something where everyone insults everyone and what they drive and how they drive etc etc etc. i dont think we need this to go any further. one thinks one thing, the other thinks another, neither of you are going to change your opinion, so why even bother?
I can go find my dyno I guess if I have to... I would at least like to attest to the torque curve. Any stock for stock dyno of a 3.4 vs. S54 is going to show a 25-35 rwhp advantage to the M3 along with a torque figure to match. That is reality.
You are right, no point in continuing I guess, I respect you for remaining civil and having a mature debate unlike the other guy.
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Of course they are! i have to say tho, that test you have is very out of the ordinary, was that a tip? not trying to start anything, but most tests you find will show you 3.4s running low to mid 13s at 105+.
Different mags different numbers, I think that was a tip, as I have the issue laying around here somewhere
Originally Posted by sticky
Of course they are! i have to say tho, that test you have is very out of the ordinary, was that a tip? not trying to start anything, but most tests you find will show you 3.4s running low to mid 13s at 105+.
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I thought it was a tip. you have to remember that tips are usually .5-.6 sec slower than the manuals.
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Different mags different numbers, I think that was a tip, as I have the issue laying around here somewhere
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I thought it was a tip. you have to remember that tips are usually .5-.6 sec slower than the manuals.
I also posted 3.6 manual numbers, which are just a bit faster, putting it right there with the SMG M3...
Mag racing is lame though, that is the thing, dynos at least give a base for the power the motors are putting down.
Originally Posted by sticky
I thought it was a tip. you have to remember that tips are usually .5-.6 sec slower than the manuals.
Mag racing is lame though, that is the thing, dynos at least give a base for the power the motors are putting down.
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Originally Posted by C70Pete
For one thing... low 14s and high 13s are NOT what 3.4 carrera's run... this has been well documented in the posts I have put that are available to the readers of this forum... your not smoking any 3.4... your smoking crack and lots of it...
The S54 motor doesn't have RMS but has blown many times... that is why BMW fixes it and gives a 160K warranty... it's well documented that the S54 doesn't produce as much torque... OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE HP/TQ RATINGS DUHH...
I said I kept up with a 360 MODENA in 3rd and 4th gear ... whatever that means to you... does it mean I'm beating MODENAS... never said that... but I did keep up to this MODENA who was giving it all...
Your POSTING OF THE DYNO ON THE ALLEGED M3 torque CURVE IS FALSE... that is not an M3 torque curve... did u get that from your crack dealer? I'll get you one and post it... that looks like a torque curve of a turbocharged AUDI MOTOR..lol!!! why don't YOU do some research before you start posting garbage and falsifications....
I have lots of friends who race BMW M3 and 996 and the word on the track is something ALWAYS goes wrong with the M3... whether it be engine, suspension or transmission... its not in the same league... maybe that is why the 996 is a little more $$$ eh? ever crossed your mind why there was a higher price point? bet you never thought of that one eh?
The only thing I get here is that you need to get out of your "my M3 is the best" fantasy world.... I'm gonna find a REAL M3 dyno (cause the one above is BS).. you'll see what I mean when I post it...
The S54 motor doesn't have RMS but has blown many times... that is why BMW fixes it and gives a 160K warranty... it's well documented that the S54 doesn't produce as much torque... OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE HP/TQ RATINGS DUHH...
I said I kept up with a 360 MODENA in 3rd and 4th gear ... whatever that means to you... does it mean I'm beating MODENAS... never said that... but I did keep up to this MODENA who was giving it all...
Your POSTING OF THE DYNO ON THE ALLEGED M3 torque CURVE IS FALSE... that is not an M3 torque curve... did u get that from your crack dealer? I'll get you one and post it... that looks like a torque curve of a turbocharged AUDI MOTOR..lol!!! why don't YOU do some research before you start posting garbage and falsifications....
I have lots of friends who race BMW M3 and 996 and the word on the track is something ALWAYS goes wrong with the M3... whether it be engine, suspension or transmission... its not in the same league... maybe that is why the 996 is a little more $$$ eh? ever crossed your mind why there was a higher price point? bet you never thought of that one eh?
The only thing I get here is that you need to get out of your "my M3 is the best" fantasy world.... I'm gonna find a REAL M3 dyno (cause the one above is BS).. you'll see what I mean when I post it...
I don't know why you are referring to the 3.4 carrera as a track star. Since when is a wet sump motor with rear main seal leaks track worthy? The M3 inline 6 is highly more sophisticated naturally aspirated 6 cylinder. The GT3's motor on the other hand is a motor for the track and is a significantly better motor than the S54.
I had an 02, saw redline several times a day, never had an issue. There are 150 or so documented failures, there were more RMS recalls and motor replacements. Please get your facts straight, also 150 based on over 15,000 produced. You obviously aren't good with numbers so I will just let you know that it is less than 1%.
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Either way, we all have the experience in the REAL WORLD. those obviously matter most. we can all tell stories of what we beat on the highway etc. mag racing is lame, while it provides a basis for times its not fun. im saying lets take some 3.4 liters in stock form or very close to stock and 3.6's as well with some m3s in stock form or very close and race them, take some videos and post and see what results are for REAL with none of this R&T has ____, C&D has ____. thats is really the only way to shut everyone up once and for all.
Originally Posted by PorscheC4
I also posted 3.6 manual numbers, which are just a bit faster, putting it right there with the SMG M3...
Mag racing is lame though, that is the thing, dynos at least give a base for the power the motors are putting down.
Mag racing is lame though, that is the thing, dynos at least give a base for the power the motors are putting down.
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Either way, we all have the experience in the REAL WORLD. those obviously matter most. we can all tell stories of what we beat on the highway etc. mag racing is lame, while it provides a basis for times its not fun. im saying lets take some 3.4 liters in stock form or very close to stock and 3.6's as well with some m3s in stock form or very close and race them, take some videos and post and see what results are for REAL with none of this R&T has ____, C&D has ____. thats is really the only way to shut everyone up once and for all.
I don't have an M3 anymore, so I can't help you there. However a C4 cab is heavy and has higher driveline loses than a C2, so that would be the heaviest and slowest platform to race against the m3. I'm sure someone would be willing to race you if you really wanted though.
Originally Posted by sticky
Either way, we all have the experience in the REAL WORLD. those obviously matter most. we can all tell stories of what we beat on the highway etc. mag racing is lame, while it provides a basis for times its not fun. im saying lets take some 3.4 liters in stock form or very close to stock and 3.6's as well with some m3s in stock form or very close and race them, take some videos and post and see what results are for REAL with none of this R&T has ____, C&D has ____. thats is really the only way to shut everyone up once and for all.
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Of course they are! i have to say tho, that test you have is very out of the ordinary, was that a tip? not trying to start anything, but most tests you find will show you 3.4s running low to mid 13s at 105+.
Yup... I agree with you there... the other guys are posting higher than normal numbers cause I guess in the end everybody wants to be right... lets look at the facts...
Originally Posted by sticky
Of course they are! i have to say tho, that test you have is very out of the ordinary, was that a tip? not trying to start anything, but most tests you find will show you 3.4s running low to mid 13s at 105+.
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my c4 is still lighter than an m3 though. not sure of exact weight, i could look up in the manual though. remember this though, the C4S is the heaviest due to AWD, and the turbo body and yet, it according to mags(mags again! 
) ran it at 12.8@109, 12.9@108, and 13.0@108. And this is the slowest of the 996 group supposedly. And remember with the new 997 models, the C4S is just as fast as the 997S in 1/4 mile and trap speed.
Originally Posted by PorscheC4
I don't have an M3 anymore, so I can't help you there. However a C4 cab is heavy and has higher driveline loses than a C2, so that would be the heaviest and slowest platform to race against the m3. I'm sure someone would be willing to race you if you really wanted though.
) ran it at 12.8@109, 12.9@108, and 13.0@108. And this is the slowest of the 996 group supposedly. And remember with the new 997 models, the C4S is just as fast as the 997S in 1/4 mile and trap speed.
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Originally Posted by sticky
That M3 dyno is not false. You can go check out dynos on your own, knock yourself out, www.evoms and www.activeautowerke.com . Have fun, I didn't pull those numbers out from nowhere those are numbers that tuners post as a base, but hey, whatever, you don't want to believe it that is the problem.
I don't know why you are referring to the 3.4 carrera as a track star. Since when is a wet sump motor with rear main seal leaks track worthy? The M3 inline 6 is highly more sophisticated naturally aspirated 6 cylinder. The GT3's motor on the other hand is a motor for the track and is a significantly better motor than the S54.
I had an 02, saw redline several times a day, never had an issue. There are 150 or so documented failures, there were more RMS recalls and motor replacements. Please get your facts straight, also 150 based on over 15,000 produced. You obviously aren't good with numbers so I will just let you know that it is less than 1%.
I don't know why you are referring to the 3.4 carrera as a track star. Since when is a wet sump motor with rear main seal leaks track worthy? The M3 inline 6 is highly more sophisticated naturally aspirated 6 cylinder. The GT3's motor on the other hand is a motor for the track and is a significantly better motor than the S54.
I had an 02, saw redline several times a day, never had an issue. There are 150 or so documented failures, there were more RMS recalls and motor replacements. Please get your facts straight, also 150 based on over 15,000 produced. You obviously aren't good with numbers so I will just let you know that it is less than 1%.
what's the point of posting those higher than normal times for 996... would you like me to find some low 14 quarter mile reviews for M3... point being... you take the best and the lowest... cause that's what's possible when get a good driver...
and yah... I am on a different planet... when you decide to visit earth you'll get a dose of reality.... maybe M3 is faster on mars... lol
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Posting this just becuase I always back what I say up in terms of ETs, etc with actual mag times. and just to point out one this, this car ran 0-100 in 11 flat which is a good probably 1 sec faster than most m3s to that mark.
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...-4s-page4.html
Originally Posted by PorscheC4
I don't have an M3 anymore, so I can't help you there. However a C4 cab is heavy and has higher driveline loses than a C2, so that would be the heaviest and slowest platform to race against the m3. I'm sure someone would be willing to race you if you really wanted though.
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...-4s-page4.html
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I found one more, the other im not sure but heres one more.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ures_spec.html
Originally Posted by PorscheC4
I don't have an M3 anymore, so I can't help you there. However a C4 cab is heavy and has higher driveline loses than a C2, so that would be the heaviest and slowest platform to race against the m3. I'm sure someone would be willing to race you if you really wanted though.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ures_spec.html
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Originally Posted by C70Pete
Hey C4... when are you installing your Gemballa exhaust...? I've heard they sound awesome!!! be sure to post some sound clibs of that beauty...
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
I will be doing so this weekend. I have heard its symphony of the flat 6, I CANNOT WAIT. This is just one of a few light mods to do. I plan on putting some lightweight 19s, headers, and lowering with H&Rs and some other minor things such as tints and aluminum pedals. I will def take vids/clips and post.
did you flash with GIAC yet? that makes a nice difference from 4000 and beyond....
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