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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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FVD Cayman Level 1 and 2 Released!

Hi Guys,
Wanted to make an official announcement that FVD's level 1 and 2 has been released for the Cayman!

Level 1 Kit: 308HP/262TQ
-Reprogramed ECU
-BMC Sport Airfilter

Retail $2193 (Call For 6speed Discount)

Level 2 Kit: 320HP/269TQ
-Reprogramed ECU
-BMC Sport Airfilter
-Sport Headers (With 200 Cell Primary Sport Catalytics)
*Primary Catalytic Bypass Available
-Sport Mufflers (With 200 Cell Secondary Sport Catalytics)
*Secondary Catalytic Bypass Available

Retail: $8502 (Call For 6speed Discount)

Cayman S 3.8L Conversions Also Available!! HP Ranges from 355-381!! Call for details!

Cayman S PSS9 Coilovers (With or Without PASM) Are Also NOW AVAILABLE!!

Visit The Worlds Largest Porsche Online Shop at www.fvd.us to view all of the Cayman S parts available!!
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 12:12 PM
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WOW. 2 grand for a 10min ecu flash and a 30 dollar air filter. Nice mark up.
 
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mbphreak
WOW. 2 grand for a 10min ecu flash and a 30 dollar air filter. Nice mark up.
First of all please get your information correct before posting. FVD does not use "flash" uploads. The price includes overnight shipping to and from Germany where the ECU is compeltely reprogramed. No 10 minute flashes here.... Also the airfilter is not $30 it is over $100. As said in the other post by Yogi, there is a lot of R&D that goes into an ECU. You think we have a complete staff of people doing R&D, dyno testing and writing programs for free? There are many salaries and expenses that go into creating a program for a car.
Hopefully you understand how a business works a little better now... Should you have any further questions or concerns feel free to give me a call and I will do my best to help you out!
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did it occur to you that they may have put a little bit of r&d into getting this set up properly.

also its a 120 dollar filter and you didnt consider what it may have costed to get an ecu to flash in the first place.

not saying its cheap, nor am i saying its a good or bad deal. Business is business, they are in it to make money. if you dont like it, DONT BUY IT.
Thank you, you are absolutely correct...
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 02:18 PM
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Well said Evan!

Originally Posted by Evan@FVD
First of all please get your information correct before posting. FVD does not use "flash" uploads. The price includes overnight shipping to and from Germany where the ECU is compeltely reprogramed. No 10 minute flashes here.... Also the airfilter is not $30 it is over $100. As said in the other post by Yogi, there is a lot of R&D that goes into an ECU. You think we have a complete staff of people doing R&D, dyno testing and writing programs for free? There are many salaries and expenses that go into creating a program for a car.
Hopefully you understand how a business works a little better now... Should you have any further questions or concerns feel free to give me a call and I will do my best to help you out!
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Thank you, you are absolutely correct...
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Dyno and ECU development is certainly not cheap!

There are clearly pros and cons for each method, but all the German tuners use custom ECUs. What does that mean?
 
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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Wow, the $6k extra for Stage 2 doesn't seem to buy you much aside from some very good looking shiny parts. $500/hp gain and almost $1000/torque gain.
 
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Evan....what do you guys have available for the 987 S? Your Stage 1 kit looks like it bumps the Cayman HP from 295 to 308 = 13hp. If you have similar results for the Boxster S, then an 05-06 Boxster S with 280hp plus your stage 1 kit = ~293hp will favor very comparably to a new 07 Boxster S with 295hp...the difference being that dealers will be cutting prices on the 05-06 model once the 07 hits the ground thus I could get the same performance for about 10-15k cheaper.
 
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Originally Posted by Rob in KC
Wow, the $6k extra for Stage 2 doesn't seem to buy you much aside from some very good looking shiny parts. $500/hp gain and almost $1000/torque gain.
You have to look at it this way... That money is for:

Headers (Normally around $1500 for other models)
Sport Catalytics (Normally around $2,000 for other models)
Second Set of Sport Catalytics (Normally around $2,000 for other models)
Sport Mufflers (Normally around $1750 for other models).

So right there you have $7250 that you would normally pay for the same components on other Porsche models. The difference is that Porsche decided to use 2 sets of catalytics on this car (very costly) and put them all together. If you break it down like I did above, we are really charging about the same thing (even a bit less) for the individual components.

The 2 sets of catalytics is where it gets pricey. Should you choose to go with primary and secondary catalytic bypass instead the price comes down almost $2,000!

I hope this helps you understand where the costs are coming from! Basically you can thank Porsche for putting 2 sets of cats on these cars and making it more expensive
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pdutta2000
Evan....what do you guys have available for the 987 S? Your Stage 1 kit looks like it bumps the Cayman HP from 295 to 308 = 13hp. If you have similar results for the Boxster S, then an 05-06 Boxster S with 280hp plus your stage 1 kit = ~293hp will favor very comparably to a new 07 Boxster S with 295hp...the difference being that dealers will be cutting prices on the 05-06 model once the 07 hits the ground thus I could get the same performance for about 10-15k cheaper.
FVD 987 Boxster S Level 1: 293HP/247TQ
-ECU Reprogram
-BMC Sport Filter

FVD 987 Boxster S Level 2: 305HP/254TQ
-ECU Reprogram
-BMC Sport Filter
-Sport Headers (With Cats)
-Sport Muffler (With Cats)

So you are correct, the level 1 will bring it to right around the 07 numbers.
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I see software corporation titans like Oracle as "businesses" too but I sure as hell don't see them asking for an arm, a leg, and your unborn child for their business software suites. Just crunching down the numbers/gains like any good businessman would yogi+evan, don't take it too personally.

$500 per hp gain just didn't sound too smart of an investment to me. Just sharing an opinion, don't get all hissy. We all have to pay for our addiction some way or another right so calm down.
 
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Originally Posted by mbphreak
I see software corporation titans like Oracle as "businesses" too but I sure as hell don't see them asking for an arm, a leg, and your unborn child for their business software suites. Just crunching down the numbers/gains like any good businessman would yogi+evan, don't take it too personally.
Bad example...cause you are dead wrong. Oracle license fees are some of the highest in the world and their support fees are even higher. This is just to buy the software...then you need to pay someone to implement it (ie Oracle Consulting). Think of buying Windows XP and the yearly support then hiring a consultant to install it and then get it working.

There's a reason that Oracle made $4.9 billion in revenue last quarter...and it wasn't because they were the best deal in town...hint (they bought PeopleSoft to ensure they were the ONLY game in town).
 
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Originally Posted by Evan@FVD
You have to look at it this way... That money is for:

Headers (Normally around $1500 for other models)
Sport Catalytics (Normally around $2,000 for other models)
Second Set of Sport Catalytics (Normally around $2,000 for other models)
Sport Mufflers (Normally around $1750 for other models).

So right there you have $7250 that you would normally pay for the same components on other Porsche models. The difference is that Porsche decided to use 2 sets of catalytics on this car (very costly) and put them all together. If you break it down like I did above, we are really charging about the same thing (even a bit less) for the individual components.

The 2 sets of catalytics is where it gets pricey. Should you choose to go with primary and secondary catalytic bypass instead the price comes down almost $2,000!

I hope this helps you understand where the costs are coming from! Basically you can thank Porsche for putting 2 sets of cats on these cars and making it more expensive
Regards,
Evan
I totally understand that the parts themselves are expensive. From the pictures, they appear to be beautifully made. But those expensive parts are buying you precious little in performance gains. The Stage 1 is the much bigger bang for the buck (relatively speaking).
 
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I say go straight for the 3.8L conversion and stop farting around with stage 1 and 2
 
Old Jul 19, 2006 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Evan@FVD
First of all please get your information correct before posting. FVD does not use "flash" uploads. The price includes overnight shipping to and from Germany where the ECU is compeltely reprogramed. No 10 minute flashes here.... Also the airfilter is not $30 it is over $100. As said in the other post by Yogi, there is a lot of R&D that goes into an ECU.
And what do you think they do with the ECU when it get's there? To 'Flash' means reprogram, whether they take the chip out or do it in the car, the end result is the same.

With that being said. I'm a firm beleiver in the free market and if they can get that kind of money for their software, more power to them. If it isn't worth that much, people won't buy it and the price will drop.

At the same time, I have noticed that some FVD parts are simply rebadged/marked up parts from other companies, however this is common in the aftermarket scene with the top line companies. Ultimately you're paying a certain amount for the name and for the service and support that comes with the top names, and there is value there.

Good luck. I'm sure those who have the money for these upgrades will enjoy them.

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Originally Posted by Evan@FVD
Should you choose to go with primary and secondary catalytic bypass instead the price comes down almost $2,000!
evan -

i've seen some vendors offering this bypass on the "extra" set of cats, do you guys offer the same thing? checked out the website, didn't see it (but I did see the X51 upgrade, hmmm..!! )
 
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evan -

i've seen some vendors offering this bypass on the "extra" set of cats, do you guys offer the same thing? checked out the website, didn't see it (but I did see the X51 upgrade, hmmm..!! )
We offer both Primary and Secondary catalytic bypass! The primary cats are part of the headers and the secondary cats are part of the mufflers. The "extra" cars you are speaking of are the secondary's.
Here is a link to our mufflers with secondary cat bypass:
https://shop.fvd.de/?VID=34777&VCD=1...rBody=&CarYear=
Here is a link to our headers with primary cat bypass:
https://shop.fvd.de/?VID=34778&VCD=6...rBody=&CarYear=
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