GT3/GT2 Performance and Track Discussion on the Porsche GT3 and GT2

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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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GT3 engine in the Cayman, charge 101k for it and be done with it. I'd be up for that.
 
Old Feb 18, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
There is no doubt that Porsche makes the best use of it's power through engineering. The Corvette is quite a bit faster though even on much worse tires. I'd be willing to say the small margins would become bigger ones if the cars had been running the exact same tires. The viper does not handle well but with 600 hp it should be able to beat the GT3 on most courses. And the new viper will have PS2's which will help it at testing very well.
Are you speaking of track or street? Who is buying Porsches for street racing? The Porsche GT3 has won more international sports-car championships than any other series production car on earth. They have never relied on horsepower. In fact, the 997 GT3 Cup has 15 horsepower less than the street GT3. As far as same tires theory goes, pull up the results of SPEED World Challenge GT at the season finale Laguna Seca. I think you will see that the 450 HP Porsches clearly dominated the much higher HP Vipers and Vettes all running on RA-1's. Horsepower will usually win all street debates, agreed. I do question your 600 HP Viper beating a GT3 on "most" courses. I have yet to witness this.
 
Old Feb 18, 2007 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by frayed
HP is all well and good, but take a few laps at your local road course in a GT3, and the last thing on your mind will be wishing for another 50 hp. It will be wishing you were a better driver, or if you are really that good, then you'll be wishing for sub 2800 lbs wet.

This is why you don't see experienced track drivers obsessed over hp. . . power mods are typically pretty far down the wants list.
Well put.
 
Old Feb 18, 2007 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mowblowgo
Are you speaking of track or street? Who is buying Porsches for street racing? The Porsche GT3 has won more international sports-car championships than any other series production car on earth. They have never relied on horsepower. In fact, the 997 GT3 Cup has 15 horsepower less than the street GT3. As far as same tires theory goes, pull up the results of SPEED World Challenge GT at the season finale Laguna Seca. I think you will see that the 450 HP Porsches clearly dominated the much higher HP Vipers and Vettes all running on RA-1's. Horsepower will usually win all street debates, agreed. I do question your 600 HP Viper beating a GT3 on "most" courses. I have yet to witness this.
You would be surprised how many people have GT3's and never go to the track in them and will race people on the street. Who cares about race cars, we are talking about stock production cars and if you'd like to include race cars how about the C5 and C6 R's nothing has been faster than them other than the prototypes. There is no doubt porsche has a great racing heritage but that has nothing to do with this conversation. Well the 600 hp viper isnt out yet and even the 500 hp version was slightly slower than the Z06 in the earlier tests. This is a wild guess but dodge didnt creat an out of order model for the heck of it, they made it to be faster than the corvette and hence faster than the GT3. This has yet to be proven though so until then there is no need for bench racing.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan in SD
I think we could all agree that your precious chevys are far superior than anything that comes out of europe. You successfully changed all our minds. Now you can find a new forum to change their minds. Thanks you for enlightening us. I will give you some positive reputation points for your hard work.
Woah buddy, dont judge me by my screen name, I am non biased, ask SCvet00 (if you can contact him) It's no rocket science that the Z06 is faster than the GT3. With 90 more hp, similar weight much more torque it's a beast. I'm not saying anything that anyone here hasnt heard before, the facts are facts, the Z06 is faster, but by a narrow margin, it would only take the 997 getting back to the trim 996 GT3 weight and maybe 20 hp to reverse the roles but it's the truth.

No need to get all defensive, we are all on the same side here. I dont even like the C6 Z06, purchased a C5 coupe and modded it instead the first time and a 996 TT the second time, I'm not closed minded to any car brand.
 
Old Feb 18, 2007 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Woah buddy, dont judge me by my screen name, I am non biased, ask SCvet00 (if you can contact him) It's no rocket science that the Z06 is faster than the GT3. With 90 more hp, similar weight much more torque it's a beast. I'm not saying anything that anyone here hasnt heard before, the facts are facts, the Z06 is faster, but by a narrow margin, it would only take the 997 getting back to the trim 996 GT3 weight and maybe 20 hp to reverse the roles but it's the truth.

No need to get all defensive, we are all on the same side here. I dont even like the C6 Z06, purchased a C5 coupe and modded it instead the first time and a 996 TT the second time, I'm not closed minded to any car brand.
I wasnt being sarcastic, you really did change my mind.

ok no you didnt. Im just pointing out in a sarcastic way that you are pushing the corvette all over this forum. And I dont think anyone really cares because we are not inept about corvettes. They are great cars especially for the money in comparison to its competitors. Most of us that sign up on porsche forums dont care though, they prefer porsches. Probably because they are superior in taste (which is subjective). That said, I plan on owning a C5 in the future....just to see what the hype is all about
 
Old Feb 18, 2007 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan in SD
I wasnt being sarcastic, you really did change my mind.

ok no you didnt. Im just pointing out in a sarcastic way that you are pushing the corvette all over this forum. And I dont think anyone really cares because we are not inept about corvettes. They are great cars especially for the money in comparison to its competitors. Most of us that sign up on porsche forums dont care though, they prefer porsches. Probably because they are superior in taste (which is subjective). That said, I plan on owning a C5 in the future....just to see what the hype is all about
What are you talking about, show me where I am pushing the corvette, I have been arguing with the numbnutz who just got banned about the Z06 for threads at a time. You dont have a clue what you are talking about! Dont acuse me of something without some proof. I welcome you to find several posts of mine that are biased towards the corvette, if you can do that I will shutup. Otherwise dont make claims about me when you dont know me and appearantly dont know what I've posted.

BTW you are talking about a guy who is constantly regarded as a "porschephile" on the corvette forums because I wont do the manufacturer group sex where people try to make themselves feel better by putting down other cars. I respect all, favor none, PERIOD. Do some research before you make accusations.
 
Old Feb 18, 2007 | 10:50 PM
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I think Porsche could get 450 if they increased the displacement to 3.8. I have heard rumors that the factory were concerned about extra vibration with the increased displacement in the new RSR. Furthermore, that thing is for racing and would probably be a pain to drive on the street. However, it's producing 485 horsepower WITH twin restrictors. I think Fabryce (having worked w/ the RSR motor from the 996) can confirm this, but the restrictors are robbing the car of at least 25 horsepower. So the 485 is now 505. Furthermore, I have heard that Porsche often underestimate the numbers for all their cars, so we may be talking about even more than that. I understand that drivability in a street car is obviously a priority but right now I see no reason why the extra displacement with some development couldn't make the street GT3 more powerful and even more of a track animal than it already is.
 

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All i can say is drive the 997 gt3 before you post. it is clearly under rated in power. probably closer to 435 to 445hp if i had to guess. This thing is a monster at highway speeds. pulls like a freight train at high speeds. all out of 3.6 liters. Cant imagine what kind of power porsche could get out of a 7.0 liter motor.
 
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horsepower is not everything.
That's right man. T&A aint everything either. It's about the personality too
 
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It's about the personality too
hahaha true. true!
 
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That's right man. T&A aint everything either. It's about the personality too
Hold on second bro, It is definitley about T&A. I'll take a but her face over a pretty fat broad any day. As for personality, the less she talks the better.
 
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I agree with Jeff with the Manthey kit supposedly I have 415 in mine and when on the track all I can think about is getting more skills which seem to be sadly missing. I have scared myself more time with 415. i dont need more HP I need more skill to handle what I have.

Btw I have driven the Viper GTS, C5 Z06 and the C6-they all drive like
my Diesel Chevy truck. Although that has more HP than my GT3 -450
(its chipped) I prefer all the feedback, sharpness and crispness of the 996GT3-havent driven a 997 GT3 yet.
 
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Originally Posted by OldGuy
I agree with Jeff with the Manthey kit supposedly I have 415 in mine and when on the track all I can think about is getting more skills which seem to be sadly missing. I have scared myself more time with 415. i dont need more HP I need more skill to handle what I have.

Btw I have driven the Viper GTS, C5 Z06 and the C6-they all drive like
my Diesel Chevy truck. Although that has more HP than my GT3 -450
(its chipped) I prefer all the feedback, sharpness and crispness of the 996GT3-havent driven a 997 GT3 yet.
I what way do they drive like the diesel?
 


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