We were just discussing this here. At the track, 300HP was fun but not quite enough (1999 996). I cannot use 415HP (2002 996TT), definitively cannot use 450HP (in the 2003 X50), and can't use 505HP (GIAC stage2 modded X50). So the 400HP non-turbo flat that the 997GT3 has is more than enough and the lessened weight helps. I have no idea what the bench racers are doing with 640/700HP – I certainly don’t have the skill to utilize that sort of power and can’t imagine what I with do with it if I had it.

My requirements for car power essentially can be stated as follows:

1. Need to keep up and/or pass F430, in the few instances I see one at the track.
2. Need to be able to catch up and/or blow by the Lotus Elise/Exige on the straights since I cannot keep up with this car in the corners.
3. Same as item 2 but change car to ‘Mini Cooper S’. I hate getting lapped by that car – this happens often. Hurts my already frail ego …
4. Need to be able to go fast enough on the straights to say ‘OK – this is fast enough and turn 1 is coming”.
5. Need to be able to keep up to an M5 on the straights. … Rather embarrassing to be passed by one of those behemoths …
6. Need to have a fighting chance against a Z06. This is a stretch and the most difficult of the requirements.

I think PAG marketing screwed up BADLY on the 997GT3: It is too good and cannibalizing 997TT sales. This, combined with the low production numbers, is making the 997GT3 nearly impossible to get.

I am thoroughly underwhelmed with the 997TT – but nobody cares and that is another subject.

 

Agreed, I am on a waiting list for the GT3.

I think 415hp out of a 3.6 is wonderful, plus the sound and feelings are way better than the TT.

 

read that ram air effect of rear scoops worth 25 hp at speed that doesnt get measured on static dynos. resultant 440 hp makes more sense to me given cars super fast performance stats and not insignificant weight.

anyone know if other cars have similar effects ie. z06 front scoop?

 

At what speed?

 

No problem, , mabye I should have changed my screen name but I'm a member of so many different car forums I started forgetting them. Yeah I picked up that terminology from a pretty long sting on viperclub and corvetteforum

 

I think the only thing you are lacking is a little more agression, you should not get passed by an M5 on a Road Course for any reason. the 100 hp does not make up for the 800 lb weight disadvantage for the M5.

 

You are, of course, correct. This was at ButtonWillow and the guy was GOOD. And a GOOD driver trumps better (read: lighter) equipment. I'm working to get better. And the M5's tend to burn up the clutches ...

 

You are right in a sense, but gearing does make a HUGE diff. despite the weight

 

Are the M gears longer, the only way they would help at the road course is if they created fewer shifts.

 

No offense. Really. But if you are getting lapped by Minis or Elises, then more track driving is in order. The 996 and 997 GT3 are lethal machines. No need for more power to stay for these cars. That was a joke, right?


You shouldn't need power to pass an M5. They are 2 ton tanks.
Definitely don't agree. The scarcity of GT3s has nothing to do with the TT. TT buyers tend to be quite distinct from GT3 buyers. Besides both the GT3 and GT3RS wait lists were deep enough to sell out the entire production run well before final specs were released. This has little to do with the TT underdelivering.

 

lol.

 

3.6 litres is closer to 4 than 3. And Porsche has used 3.8 engine.
No matter how much I love V8's flat 6 do have some advantages as lower placed weight shorter crank, lighter crank, compact dimensions, lower weight, easier pluming etc.

What I know is that I consider myself a good driver and as power figures go up, I have trouble controlling the car and especially around corners. For what it is the GT3 has enough power. Unfortunatelly though, even this is getting heavier every next generation.

 

Your right, unfortunately most if us will not invest the time or money into making the most of our driving, instead we try to make the car faster, which there is nothing wrong with but can be a hinderance to driving skills. A really good driver in a decent car can hang with or spank a lot of the high hp cars that people tend to bring to the track. But unfortunately when it comes to risk vs reward mods to the car have a quicker return and taking a bunch of driving courses can be just as expensive as mods when you get to the serious stuff.

 

After 13 years on streetbikes, no car can offer the same adrenaline in the straight line or slight bends. So when on 4 wheels I care more about turning than straight line. I have no problem with straight line junkies, it just does nothing for me