A side by side comparison of a Gallardo with a Murcielago, and you can't tell where the Gallardo gets its styling cues? It greatly resembles a Murcielago in every respect, except in a smaller package: headlights, front belt line, c-pillar, aft line, etc. Hardly unique. Neither is the Audi sourced V10, 4WD, etc etc.

The 430 shares rear tailight design with the Enzo, and that's it.

Ferrari will always have an edge because it actually has racing history. Most of their road cars have been raced or have been developed from racing cars, along with their F1 program.

I'm not the hugest fan of Ferrari, especially as of late, and I hate how people automatically slobber over them. But in the Gallardo vs. 430 match I'd take a 430 every time.

 

ill take it over the G as well! gimme a veryon!!

 

i think the F430 sounds a lot better then the G

 

the thing is you know perhaps the F430 "MAY" be described as "quicker than a Gallardo" by most reviewers..

but there are people out there who look for specs other than performance figures....*besides, there are few instances in which the driver can get near to use either car's limits..*

for instance,
practicality..the Gallardo with AWD certainly would be a much better DD compare to the 430...

but i'd still take a veryon over 430 or G

 

So let me ask you, why do you think racing has anything to do with a roadcar when it comes to ferrari? Do you really think your 355 shares anything in common with ferrari's race cars? Having owned many Ferrari's including a 355 spider, i can assure they share nothing in common.

Without a racing program, EVERY comparable Ferrari, gets beaten by a lamborghini, whether it be Countach/Testarossa, Diablo/512/550 or murcielago/575 or even as of late the Gallardo vs 360/430. When you compare street to street, that is FACT, shown by laptimes and acceleration times.

When it comes to styling, Ferrari is boredom. lets begin:

348/355: Both extremely mediocre performing cars in their own right followed by mildly exciting styling. The 348 was considered a joke, and the 355, albeit better, was never considered a class leader, beaten handily by both the Lotus Esprit V8 and the Porsche turbos. In todays world, they are hardly given a glance, and have given nothing to the Automotive History Books. They kept this same basic style for 10 years.

360/430: Again, hardly record breaking, again easily out done by any 996 Turbo, or 993. The 360 was destroyed by the Gallardo, and Ferrari's counter the 430, hasnt been able to outlap the earliest of Gallardos, let alone the latest. Again the styling is boring, not having changed in 8 years.

550/575: Supra style, with mediocre performance, still humbled by 911 Turbos, vipers and Diablos. Not exciting when new, no more exciting today.

456/612/ : Thats all I have to say about that.

The new 599............ where will the pain stop.

Fact is, to live any of the Ferrari so called mystique, you need an F40, F50(not really, but sort of, very dissapointing car inmo) or an Enzo. Anything else, is just a joke.

 

+1! you the man!

but i would much rather take a Lambo R-GT over an Enzo or F40 or F50 or w/e...
link to R-GT = http://rsportscars.com/eng/cars/murcielago_r-gt.asp

 

Racing means nothing. The guy with the deepest pockets wins. Ford could put enough money into a Focus to outlap Schumacker. Honda has a huge racing histroy, does that mean we should all buy accords? Ferrari is a joke.

 

F40 was a great car in its time. In todays world, very kit carish, but still a blast. F50, horrible inmo. Even diehard Ferrari guys were dissapointed. Enzo, finally a car with some style, performance etc, but for the price, countless other options far more worthwhile inmo.

 

agreed...
i love the F40 in which it held some records such as: the first production car ever hit 200mph...

the enzo is of course one of the best supercars, but still too expensive...they have too much pride with their prancing horse

 

A closely guarded ferrari secret regarding the Enzo, over HALF of them, are on their SECOND motor.

 

The reason why racing has something to do with road cars, in theory, is that if you put them on a track you can test performance parameters you would never be able to touch on a street.

Most of the evidence that you have presented is all pretty speculative, and mostly based on your styling opinion. It's pretty safe to say that if you're heavily drawn to the design ethic of solely Ferrari or solely Lamborghini, you'll find reasons to hate the other design. No surprise there. But to claim that a 348 or 355 is beaten because the styling is boring is ridiculous, and to say that the V8 Ferraris haven't given anything to the Automotive History Books is as ludicrous as saying that the baby Gallardo HAS contributed to the automotive history books. Derivative design, engine, drivetrain, interior . . . where will the pain stop.

I'm not sure where you're getting your figures from, but I haven't heard of many gallardos heavily outpacing 430s by any stretch. The new Road and Track shows a 430 posting a faster lap time, fastest of the test, plain and simple.

I think it was a bad idea for you to mention the turbo, because a gallardo would not be able to shake a turbo, 996 and definitely not 997. Comparing a gallardo to a 360 is useless, too, because they are different generations. And using the 355 as a basis for what you think the 430 is like is definitely a bad idea.

While I agree with your comparison of a 575/599 with a murcielago, where a murcielago heavily outpaces the ferrari, I'm pretty sure lamborghini would not be happy with how you rank the murcielago (esp since the 599 is a GT). The Murci is lambo's top of the line, their flagship, which they intend to pitch against the Enzo. Even with the LP640 catching up to the enzo in terms of straight line acceleration, I'd defy even hardcore Lambo fans to argue that an Enzo wouldn't murder it around a track.

 

The Enzo is not the car IMO...too extreme and you can't use it properly everyday...for sure less than a Murcie!
The F is still a very good looking car but it can't match the bull's lines

I saw both of them...and the Lambo just astonished me

 

I wish I had your problems.
i like apples you like oranges. either way they both are pu**y magnets. who gives a ****. i bet 75% of lambo and ferr. owners can't drive the car the way its supposed to be operated. (not driven).
hell my mv agusta spr was a poser bike to the extreme. it was a conversation piece. i loved it .i didnt have chicken strips on the tires but it would be a BIG FAT LIE if i said i operated the bike the way it was developed to do.

i take my hat off to anyone here who ownes a lambo or ferrari. enjoy in good health.
Tut, BIG UP

**** the mags they get partial test drivers extra $$$ on the side to say whos better. stop splitting hairs. blah blah blah...

 

That's really suck for 1 mil car.

 

is that really true. I mean I have never seen an ad for an enzo on ebay or www.mobile.de were they stated that the engine has been replaced. I am little sceptical