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I can't speak about Pan base, since I don't own one.
I own the Pan TT.
Using 5W30 is not an issue per say. 5W30, 0W40, 5W40.
They all meet the Oan requirements from design standpoint.
That choice will largely be to individual user, how they dri e the car, where they live, etc.
I live in hot climate. Our summer lasts from end of March until mid November ber, then we have spring from November until March.
For me, I don't rude it hard often at all, but want more protection at cold, since my car is always in hot weather. So my car starts are often in 80s or 90s. If I use 0W40, the zero offers less protection in climates that are already hot. When the car is cold. So your oil is more watery in hot weather even when car is cold. Bumping to 5W40 gives you little thicker oil when car is cold.
Thus my choice for using 5W40.
The 40 is same number vs 0W40.
5W30 will offer same pritection in cold car conditions, but oil will be thinner when car is hot and running.
If you already live in hot climate and car gets hoget it makes sense to use little thicker oil for when car is fully heated.
that's all. No one 'this is bad oil answer. Only slight modificatio s based on conditions of where car is and how its used.
Hope I clarified a little more here. Thanks.
I own the Pan TT.
Using 5W30 is not an issue per say. 5W30, 0W40, 5W40.
They all meet the Oan requirements from design standpoint.
That choice will largely be to individual user, how they dri e the car, where they live, etc.
I live in hot climate. Our summer lasts from end of March until mid November ber, then we have spring from November until March.
For me, I don't rude it hard often at all, but want more protection at cold, since my car is always in hot weather. So my car starts are often in 80s or 90s. If I use 0W40, the zero offers less protection in climates that are already hot. When the car is cold. So your oil is more watery in hot weather even when car is cold. Bumping to 5W40 gives you little thicker oil when car is cold.
Thus my choice for using 5W40.
The 40 is same number vs 0W40.
5W30 will offer same pritection in cold car conditions, but oil will be thinner when car is hot and running.
If you already live in hot climate and car gets hoget it makes sense to use little thicker oil for when car is fully heated.
that's all. No one 'this is bad oil answer. Only slight modificatio s based on conditions of where car is and how its used.
Hope I clarified a little more here. Thanks.
Here it’s summer (hot summer) the entire year too, what you are saying makes perfect sense.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply 😊
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Excellent. I think the below explains the multi grade viscosity designations for car oils quite well. Hope this will further shed more light on the topic of oil naming.
5 - Rates how oil flows at 0°F or -17.8°C - the lower the number here, the less it thickens in the cold (usually when your car first starts up for example)
W - this is a designation that was originally designed to designate WINTER, hence the W. Contrary to what many believe, this does not mean 'weight', but stands for 'Winter'.
30 - Rates how oil flows at 212°F or 100°C - represents the oil's resistance to thinning at high temperatures.
So for example, cold temperature would thicken 10Wxx oil quicker than a 5Wxx oil.
Once your car is fully heated up, and in hot temperatures in summer, a 5W30 would thin out quicker than a 5W40 oil.
The below seems to me explains this pretty well. We used to use single grade oil (like SAE30, etc), but with advancements, we invented multi grade oils that allow two different behaviors based on external temperature. See below for more indepth info:
The temperature range the oil is exposed to in most vehicles can be wide, ranging from cold temperatures in the winter before the vehicle is started up to hot operating temperatures when the vehicle is fully warmed up in hot summer weather.
A specific oil will have high viscosity when cold and a lower viscosity at the engine's operating temperature. The difference in viscosities for most single-grade oil is too large between the extremes of temperature.
To bring the difference in viscosities closer together, special polymer additives called viscosity index improvers, or VIIs, are added to the oil. These additives are used to make the oil a multi-grade motor oil, though it is possible to have a multi-grade oil without the use of VIIs.
The idea is to cause the multi-grade oil to have the viscosity of the base grade when cold and the viscosity of the second grade when hot. This enables one type of oil to be used all year. In fact, when multi-grades were initially developed, they were frequently described as all-season oil.
The viscosity of a multi-grade oil still varies logarithmically with temperature, but the slope representing the change is lessened.
The SAE designation for multi-grade oils includes two viscosity grades; for example, 10W-30 designates a common multi-grade oil.
The first number '10W' is the equivalent grade of the single grade oil that has the oil's viscosity at cold temperature and the second number is the grade of the equivalent single-grade oil that describes its viscosity at 100 °C (212 °F).
Note that both numbers are grades and not viscosity values. The two numbers used are individually defined by SAE J300 for single-grade oils. Therefore, an oil labeled as 10W-30 must pass the SAE J300 viscosity grade requirement for both 10W and 30, and all limitations placed on the viscosity grades (for example, a 10W-30 oil must fail the J300 requirements at 5W). Also, if an oil does not contain any VIIs, and can pass as a multi-grade, that oil can be labeled with either of the two SAE viscosity grades. For example, a very simple multi-grade oil that can be easily made with modern base oils without any VII is a 20W-20. This oil can be labeled as 20W-20, 20W, or 20. Note, if any VIIs are used, however, then that oil cannot be labeled as a single grade.
Breakdown of VIIs under shear is a concern in motorcycle applications, where the transmission may share lubricating oil with the motor. For this reason, motorcycle-specific oil is sometimes recommended. The necessity of higher-priced motorcycle-specific oil has also been challenged by at least one consumer organization.
5 - Rates how oil flows at 0°F or -17.8°C - the lower the number here, the less it thickens in the cold (usually when your car first starts up for example)
W - this is a designation that was originally designed to designate WINTER, hence the W. Contrary to what many believe, this does not mean 'weight', but stands for 'Winter'.
30 - Rates how oil flows at 212°F or 100°C - represents the oil's resistance to thinning at high temperatures.
So for example, cold temperature would thicken 10Wxx oil quicker than a 5Wxx oil.
Once your car is fully heated up, and in hot temperatures in summer, a 5W30 would thin out quicker than a 5W40 oil.
The below seems to me explains this pretty well. We used to use single grade oil (like SAE30, etc), but with advancements, we invented multi grade oils that allow two different behaviors based on external temperature. See below for more indepth info:
The temperature range the oil is exposed to in most vehicles can be wide, ranging from cold temperatures in the winter before the vehicle is started up to hot operating temperatures when the vehicle is fully warmed up in hot summer weather.
A specific oil will have high viscosity when cold and a lower viscosity at the engine's operating temperature. The difference in viscosities for most single-grade oil is too large between the extremes of temperature.
To bring the difference in viscosities closer together, special polymer additives called viscosity index improvers, or VIIs, are added to the oil. These additives are used to make the oil a multi-grade motor oil, though it is possible to have a multi-grade oil without the use of VIIs.
The idea is to cause the multi-grade oil to have the viscosity of the base grade when cold and the viscosity of the second grade when hot. This enables one type of oil to be used all year. In fact, when multi-grades were initially developed, they were frequently described as all-season oil.
The viscosity of a multi-grade oil still varies logarithmically with temperature, but the slope representing the change is lessened.
The SAE designation for multi-grade oils includes two viscosity grades; for example, 10W-30 designates a common multi-grade oil.
The first number '10W' is the equivalent grade of the single grade oil that has the oil's viscosity at cold temperature and the second number is the grade of the equivalent single-grade oil that describes its viscosity at 100 °C (212 °F).
Note that both numbers are grades and not viscosity values. The two numbers used are individually defined by SAE J300 for single-grade oils. Therefore, an oil labeled as 10W-30 must pass the SAE J300 viscosity grade requirement for both 10W and 30, and all limitations placed on the viscosity grades (for example, a 10W-30 oil must fail the J300 requirements at 5W). Also, if an oil does not contain any VIIs, and can pass as a multi-grade, that oil can be labeled with either of the two SAE viscosity grades. For example, a very simple multi-grade oil that can be easily made with modern base oils without any VII is a 20W-20. This oil can be labeled as 20W-20, 20W, or 20. Note, if any VIIs are used, however, then that oil cannot be labeled as a single grade.
Breakdown of VIIs under shear is a concern in motorcycle applications, where the transmission may share lubricating oil with the motor. For this reason, motorcycle-specific oil is sometimes recommended. The necessity of higher-priced motorcycle-specific oil has also been challenged by at least one consumer organization.
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I trust the manual more than I trust the dealer. If I'm reading your manual correctly you should have Porsche spec C20 0W-20 oil. Disappointing the dealer is not following, either change dealer to one that uses the proper oil or bring your own oil next time.
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If I just think about the worst that could happen,according to what Ciaka was saying before and other documentation I’ve also reviewed it looks like from 0W-20 to 5W-30 is not that drastic of a change and since the weather in Miami is so hot maybe it could make sense to go for a higher viscosity.
Nevertheless I will ask my previous dealer as well, thanks for that suggestion, it’s actually a good idea, it’s just that previous dealership was a rip off and the customer service was not nearly close to where I am going now both are Porsche dealerships one in Fort Lauderdale 32 miles away (the one I was using before) and this new one in Miami but let’s see...
Thanks again for your input.
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C20- Porsche's Answer to LSPI
Thanks for replying 😊 let’s see, will explore other options.
If I just think about the worst that could happen,according to what Ciaka was saying before and other documentation I’ve also reviewed it looks like from 0W-20 to 5W-30 is not that drastic of a change and since the weather in Miami is so hot maybe it could make sense to go for a higher viscosity.
Nevertheless I will ask my previous dealer as well, thanks for that suggestion, it’s actually a good idea, it’s just that previous dealership was a rip off and the customer service was not nearly close to where I am going now both are Porsche dealerships one in Fort Lauderdale 32 miles away (the one I was using before) and this new one in Miami but let’s see...
Thanks again for your input.
If I just think about the worst that could happen,according to what Ciaka was saying before and other documentation I’ve also reviewed it looks like from 0W-20 to 5W-30 is not that drastic of a change and since the weather in Miami is so hot maybe it could make sense to go for a higher viscosity.
Nevertheless I will ask my previous dealer as well, thanks for that suggestion, it’s actually a good idea, it’s just that previous dealership was a rip off and the customer service was not nearly close to where I am going now both are Porsche dealerships one in Fort Lauderdale 32 miles away (the one I was using before) and this new one in Miami but let’s see...
Thanks again for your input.
Mobil 1 ESP X2 0W-20
Valvoline European Full Synthetic 0W-20
Apparently this was developed (in cooperation with Mobil) in 2018 and released early 2019? (Something like that). C20 addresses protection from LSPI and protection of emissions systems. (What I gathered from this article):
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/...id=iD8Bl4jX1H8
If I'm happy with the service I'd bring the (correct spec) oil with me when I get the car serviced....
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Thank for the detailed explanation 😁
Excellent. I think the below explains the multi grade viscosity designations for car oils quite well. Hope this will further shed more light on the topic of oil naming.
5 - Rates how oil flows at 0°F or -17.8°C - the lower the number here, the less it thickens in the cold (usually when your car first starts up for example)
W - this is a designation that was originally designed to designate WINTER, hence the W. Contrary to what many believe, this does not mean 'weight', but stands for 'Winter'.
30 - Rates how oil flows at 212°F or 100°C - represents the oil's resistance to thinning at high temperatures.
So for example, cold temperature would thicken 10Wxx oil quicker than a 5Wxx oil.
Once your car is fully heated up, and in hot temperatures in summer, a 5W30 would thin out quicker than a 5W40 oil.
The below seems to me explains this pretty well. We used to use single grade oil (like SAE30, etc), but with advancements, we invented multi grade oils that allow two different behaviors based on external temperature. See below for more indepth info:
The temperature range the oil is exposed to in most vehicles can be wide, ranging from cold temperatures in the winter before the vehicle is started up to hot operating temperatures when the vehicle is fully warmed up in hot summer weather.
A specific oil will have high viscosity when cold and a lower viscosity at the engine's operating temperature. The difference in viscosities for most single-grade oil is too large between the extremes of temperature.
To bring the difference in viscosities closer together, special polymer additives called viscosity index improvers, or VIIs, are added to the oil. These additives are used to make the oil a multi-grade motor oil, though it is possible to have a multi-grade oil without the use of VIIs.
The idea is to cause the multi-grade oil to have the viscosity of the base grade when cold and the viscosity of the second grade when hot. This enables one type of oil to be used all year. In fact, when multi-grades were initially developed, they were frequently described as all-season oil.
The viscosity of a multi-grade oil still varies logarithmically with temperature, but the slope representing the change is lessened.
The SAE designation for multi-grade oils includes two viscosity grades; for example, 10W-30 designates a common multi-grade oil.
The first number '10W' is the equivalent grade of the single grade oil that has the oil's viscosity at cold temperature and the second number is the grade of the equivalent single-grade oil that describes its viscosity at 100 °C (212 °F).
Note that both numbers are grades and not viscosity values. The two numbers used are individually defined by SAE J300 for single-grade oils. Therefore, an oil labeled as 10W-30 must pass the SAE J300 viscosity grade requirement for both 10W and 30, and all limitations placed on the viscosity grades (for example, a 10W-30 oil must fail the J300 requirements at 5W). Also, if an oil does not contain any VIIs, and can pass as a multi-grade, that oil can be labeled with either of the two SAE viscosity grades. For example, a very simple multi-grade oil that can be easily made with modern base oils without any VII is a 20W-20. This oil can be labeled as 20W-20, 20W, or 20. Note, if any VIIs are used, however, then that oil cannot be labeled as a single grade.
Breakdown of VIIs under shear is a concern in motorcycle applications, where the transmission may share lubricating oil with the motor. For this reason, motorcycle-specific oil is sometimes recommended. The necessity of higher-priced motorcycle-specific oil has also been challenged by at least one consumer organization.
5 - Rates how oil flows at 0°F or -17.8°C - the lower the number here, the less it thickens in the cold (usually when your car first starts up for example)
W - this is a designation that was originally designed to designate WINTER, hence the W. Contrary to what many believe, this does not mean 'weight', but stands for 'Winter'.
30 - Rates how oil flows at 212°F or 100°C - represents the oil's resistance to thinning at high temperatures.
So for example, cold temperature would thicken 10Wxx oil quicker than a 5Wxx oil.
Once your car is fully heated up, and in hot temperatures in summer, a 5W30 would thin out quicker than a 5W40 oil.
The below seems to me explains this pretty well. We used to use single grade oil (like SAE30, etc), but with advancements, we invented multi grade oils that allow two different behaviors based on external temperature. See below for more indepth info:
The temperature range the oil is exposed to in most vehicles can be wide, ranging from cold temperatures in the winter before the vehicle is started up to hot operating temperatures when the vehicle is fully warmed up in hot summer weather.
A specific oil will have high viscosity when cold and a lower viscosity at the engine's operating temperature. The difference in viscosities for most single-grade oil is too large between the extremes of temperature.
To bring the difference in viscosities closer together, special polymer additives called viscosity index improvers, or VIIs, are added to the oil. These additives are used to make the oil a multi-grade motor oil, though it is possible to have a multi-grade oil without the use of VIIs.
The idea is to cause the multi-grade oil to have the viscosity of the base grade when cold and the viscosity of the second grade when hot. This enables one type of oil to be used all year. In fact, when multi-grades were initially developed, they were frequently described as all-season oil.
The viscosity of a multi-grade oil still varies logarithmically with temperature, but the slope representing the change is lessened.
The SAE designation for multi-grade oils includes two viscosity grades; for example, 10W-30 designates a common multi-grade oil.
The first number '10W' is the equivalent grade of the single grade oil that has the oil's viscosity at cold temperature and the second number is the grade of the equivalent single-grade oil that describes its viscosity at 100 °C (212 °F).
Note that both numbers are grades and not viscosity values. The two numbers used are individually defined by SAE J300 for single-grade oils. Therefore, an oil labeled as 10W-30 must pass the SAE J300 viscosity grade requirement for both 10W and 30, and all limitations placed on the viscosity grades (for example, a 10W-30 oil must fail the J300 requirements at 5W). Also, if an oil does not contain any VIIs, and can pass as a multi-grade, that oil can be labeled with either of the two SAE viscosity grades. For example, a very simple multi-grade oil that can be easily made with modern base oils without any VII is a 20W-20. This oil can be labeled as 20W-20, 20W, or 20. Note, if any VIIs are used, however, then that oil cannot be labeled as a single grade.
Breakdown of VIIs under shear is a concern in motorcycle applications, where the transmission may share lubricating oil with the motor. For this reason, motorcycle-specific oil is sometimes recommended. The necessity of higher-priced motorcycle-specific oil has also been challenged by at least one consumer organization.
I also watched these videos that someone recommended in a Facebook group and they align with what you said - I don’t know who the guy is but I liked very much the way he explained things.
I am pretty sure you know this already but I am just sharing in case it also helps others like me that land on this thread in the future
youtu.be/IKdhgKUZhPA
youtu.be/lo7rrex0IsE
youtu.be/tYkg0oDUXs8
youtu.be/pPFSR-2lhxY
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Here are a couple oils out there that I dug up that meet Porsche's somewhat new C20 specification:
Mobil 1 ESP X2 0W-20
Valvoline European Full Synthetic 0W-20
Apparently this was developed (in cooperation with Mobil) in 2018 and released early 2019? (Something like that). C20 addresses protection from LSPI and protection of emissions systems. (What I gathered from this article):
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/...id=iD8Bl4jX1H8
If I'm happy with the service I'd bring the (correct spec) oil with me when I get the car serviced....
Mobil 1 ESP X2 0W-20
Valvoline European Full Synthetic 0W-20
Apparently this was developed (in cooperation with Mobil) in 2018 and released early 2019? (Something like that). C20 addresses protection from LSPI and protection of emissions systems. (What I gathered from this article):
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/...id=iD8Bl4jX1H8
If I'm happy with the service I'd bring the (correct spec) oil with me when I get the car serviced....
My car is a panamera 2018 base, do you mind sharing your year/model?
I am eager to hear back from you once you get the service done.
thanks again for helping with this
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