KA - In Memory of my Mom (Vincee) and best friend Michael J. Maring
We decided to a) pass smog b) set the motor up for track use and a far quicker response in lower rpm's thru redline.
Last edited by cjv; Oct 27, 2013 at 05:25 PM.
Glad to see you are back and healthy. It looks as if you are using the 996 gt cup heads? also looks as if you are using the matching cup cam box? 996? If so the 997 cam box uses coated lifters and has a larger locating pin. I am not sure about where your testing is at but I am having debonding issues with the main bearing at my power level. Also I have crushed a few H beam rods (carrillo's) under power not detonation. I am now looking source these two components else where. One other thing I noticed is the oil squirters, I use the newer cases with dual squirters rather then messing with the oiling/cases. Your ims is a turbo one I can see that. I also use the turbo one however I have found that the last of the 997 cup engines use the oil pump we use for turbo scavenging to scavenge the heads, so that ims will go in no problem. Glad to see your project back on track.
Tim
Tim
I knew we experienced a bearing issue at some point in the build. In hind sight I recall it had to do with two different bearings made by Clevite for the 996tt. One that was a stock issue and one that was designed for extreme loads. I had to go back to March 2010 to find the letter sent to me.
We have experienced bearing failure in another engine. We were
using the Clevite bearing as supplied for the 996 Turbo engine.
Analysis has shown this bearing is not up to the level of performance and
that the construction and materials used in this bearing are not designed
for this extreme use.
This was my dilemma last time we spoke. I was very concerned and uneasy
about the failure. I had told you this was something that put us in a tail
spin here. In the back of my mind I feared we may repeat this same failure
in your engine. I could not find anything wrong with either the components
or the assembly. I knew it had to be something like a bad bearing batch or
material choice. It was confirmed today by Clevite that the bearing we used
(same as supplied for your engine) was not up to the load produced in these
applications.
Therefore we are going to disassemble the engine and replace the bearings
with the other part number. I am glad this was found now and not after the
engine had run. The bearing is the same length and thickness at the
centerline wall and has the same eccentricity at the parting line. It also
comes in a X size which gives an additional 0.001" oil clearance. This is
important as these engines need that extra clearance.
I'll have these here next week and make the change.
Nh
using the Clevite bearing as supplied for the 996 Turbo engine.
Analysis has shown this bearing is not up to the level of performance and
that the construction and materials used in this bearing are not designed
for this extreme use.
This was my dilemma last time we spoke. I was very concerned and uneasy
about the failure. I had told you this was something that put us in a tail
spin here. In the back of my mind I feared we may repeat this same failure
in your engine. I could not find anything wrong with either the components
or the assembly. I knew it had to be something like a bad bearing batch or
material choice. It was confirmed today by Clevite that the bearing we used
(same as supplied for your engine) was not up to the load produced in these
applications.
Therefore we are going to disassemble the engine and replace the bearings
with the other part number. I am glad this was found now and not after the
engine had run. The bearing is the same length and thickness at the
centerline wall and has the same eccentricity at the parting line. It also
comes in a X size which gives an additional 0.001" oil clearance. This is
important as these engines need that extra clearance.
I'll have these here next week and make the change.
Nh
Last edited by cjv; Oct 28, 2013 at 04:57 PM.
Bottom line is the car is going to be moved to James's garage where he will do his work and then it will return to Scargo where the balance of work will be completed.
I will give a report as soon as possible. James's says once he has the car it will take him less than a month to do his work.
Bottom line is the car is going to be moved to James's garage where he will do his work and then it will return to Scargo where the balance of work will be completed.
I will give a report as soon as possible. James's says once he has the car it will take him less than a month to do his work.
Have you spoke to Tim about Motec at all? He works with James who is an engineer at Motec East.
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
ESMOTOR | DO88 | TPC DSC | SYVECS | COBB | IPD | KLINE | XONA | AMS | ID | ERP | SACHS | TURBOSMART | CSF | DODSON |
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
ESMOTOR | DO88 | TPC DSC | SYVECS | COBB | IPD | KLINE | XONA | AMS | ID | ERP | SACHS | TURBOSMART | CSF | DODSON |
Another plus is James lives about 60 miles away.
The intent of this reply is not to take a thing away from Tim.
Last edited by cjv; Jan 4, 2014 at 01:38 PM.
I have been away for quite some time and randomly remembered Chad's health situation. I came back to check if there were any health updates. Very happy to hear about the clean bill of health, and secondly to see the adventure is continuing/coming to an end.
Chad, please appease us all with video's of the beast when it's all fine tuned.
Regards,
Momin
Chad, please appease us all with video's of the beast when it's all fine tuned.
Regards,
Momin
Last edited by KhanNSX; Jan 22, 2014 at 08:32 PM.
We are moving along, just slower than anticipated. While moderating on the 997tt forum I found a billet manifold made by ES Motors. It was similar to the modified Cup manifold we purchased years ago from EVOMS .... yet different. I was impressed with the way the mid section was designed as it incorporated many of the proper air flow theory used in intercooler science. Bottom line is I offered to have the manifold flow and balanced tested at my cost. The results were a far better flowing manifold as well as much more balanced. During the testing we also discovered a couple of things that believe it or not further improved the manifold.
So where are we now. I inquired as to obtaining a manifold with the improvements and having the part that fits the standard throttle body modified to accept the 95 mm oval throttle body we are using.
I am not at liberty to disclose the actual results (that will be for ESmotor to do), however I can say I only wish I would have been aware of this manifold prior to expending the thousands of dollars on our own manifold research/design and mock ups.
So where are we now. I inquired as to obtaining a manifold with the improvements and having the part that fits the standard throttle body modified to accept the 95 mm oval throttle body we are using.
I am not at liberty to disclose the actual results (that will be for ESmotor to do), however I can say I only wish I would have been aware of this manifold prior to expending the thousands of dollars on our own manifold research/design and mock ups.
We are moving along, just slower than anticipated. While moderating on the 997tt forum I found a billet manifold made by ES Motors. It was similar to the modified Cup manifold we purchased years ago from EVOMS .... yet different. I was impressed with the way the mid section was designed as it incorporated many of the proper air flow theory used in intercooler science. Bottom line is I offered to have the manifold flow and balanced tested at my expense in order to see how it stacked up. The results were a far better flowing manifold as well as much more balanced. During the testing we also discovered a couple of things that believe it or not further improved the manifold.
So where are we now. I inquired as to obtaining a manifold with the improvements and having the part that fits the throttle body modified to accept our larger 95 mm oval throttle body.
I am not at liberty to disclose the actual results (that will be for ESMotor to do), however I can say I only wish I would have been aware of this manifold prior to expending the thousands of dollars on our own manifold research/design and mock ups.
Here is a link to our testing pic. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post4030026
So where are we now. I inquired as to obtaining a manifold with the improvements and having the part that fits the throttle body modified to accept our larger 95 mm oval throttle body.
I am not at liberty to disclose the actual results (that will be for ESMotor to do), however I can say I only wish I would have been aware of this manifold prior to expending the thousands of dollars on our own manifold research/design and mock ups.
Here is a link to our testing pic. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post4030026
Last edited by cjv; Jan 27, 2014 at 08:47 PM.
Ordering the Chevrolet 95 mm oval throttle body. It will be sent to ESmotor to fit to the above manifold. Also ordered an aluminum pulley from Scargo.
The part # for the Throttle Body is 12629992. The O ring # part # is 12576549. The four 4 bolts part # is 11519971.
The part # for the Throttle Body is 12629992. The O ring # part # is 12576549. The four 4 bolts part # is 11519971.
Last edited by cjv; Feb 4, 2014 at 11:15 PM.
Picked up the 95 mm throttle body, o ring and bolts today. Will be sending it to Emre at ESmotor to have the upper part of his manifold made to fit the larger 95 mm throttle body. The stock ESMotor manifold will accept a 90 mm throttle body max. It has a opening of 92 mm. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post4030026
Last edited by cjv; Aug 31, 2020 at 11:38 AM.
Nice. I had one of those 95mm TBs I was planning to use on my E55 AMG. I had the plug and play jumper harness made and everything, never got around to installing it and got rid of the car. You are not concerned with the driveability and idle RPM?
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
ESMOTOR | DO88 | TPC DSC | SYVECS | COBB | IPD | KLINE | XONA | AMS | ID | ERP | SACHS | TURBOSMART | CSF | DODSON |
#TeamAIM
997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
ESMOTOR | DO88 | TPC DSC | SYVECS | COBB | IPD | KLINE | XONA | AMS | ID | ERP | SACHS | TURBOSMART | CSF | DODSON |
The car was engined dyno'ed with GT42R turbo's. These had great power and response in the upper rpm's. Not bad in the mid rpm's .... but wouldn't be really drivable.
Since then we have changed our goals. We are using smaller turbo's and the car will go to a Smog Referee to be tested for full compliance as built.
When all said and done with the way the motor was designed and built it will be extremely quick and very drivable. The car has been regeared so top end will be under 200 mph ...... but getting there will be quick. The engine was designed for 9300 rpm's ... it will probably be limited to 7600 to 7900 rpm's.
One other thing, we are setting it up for 91 octane. Don't want to be hassled trying to find fuel. It won't be as bad as it sounds. The head temps are about 800 degrees cooler than stock head temperatures due to piston, combustion chamber and exhaust port ceramic coatings, 965 oil squirters and GT1 three index oil pump and reworked GT3 head water passages. The cooler combustion temps allow for more advance with lower octane.
Last edited by cjv; Feb 21, 2014 at 06:04 PM.








