Apparently you don't know I take offense.

I'm just upset at the shortsightedness that still exists... It's more pity than being offended.

I've stated this many, many, many times before (and just this morning on another thread): people try to justify superiority in inferiority.

I just call it preference. If you feel the need to shoot down a better performing product in all arenas, go ahead. I'm not one to care about general perception (or I would have done what all people who want to spend $100k on a sports car would do).

I'm sure I could say some things (either truthful, or commonly accepted) that would offend about 75% of the people here. I choose not to. But I have no problem picking apart the ignorant comments like the one I replied to.

 

There are also the usual questions of how good a driver he is (was certainly gabbing a lot, and no helmet), how the tires compared, how the times might have changed with more practice, etc. I don't consider this one test to be definitive. I guess the bottom line is that both cars are very fast, and at least roughly comparable.

 

I agree. This bothers me. I mean, we all knew the expected results. Carrera S vs GT-R? Really?

You've got to give the Carrera S as much ammunition to fight with. This is frustrating because these two cars should not have been compared (I'll liken this to the Jaguar XKR-S vs GT-R comparo in Top Gear - compared because of similar HP). It is as if journalists don't know what lines to draw. Now, I don't fault the video magazine for comparing the two completely, it may have been the only 991 they could get their hands on, whereas all GT-R's are the same. We all know that the single clutch pedals cannot keep up with the shifting of the DCT's (preference being omitted, because it is irrelevant when discussing performance).

 

I didn't even THINK of the tires... I really didn't give the CS a chance. I tried to keep my expectations realistic.

 

You're right, I shouldn't have said anything about taking offense. My apologies.

It's a choice and I don't think people are trying to justify superiority in inferiority. It's simply what they want to spend their 100K or so on. Is the GTR a better performer? Without question. I simply have the 991 higher on my list of cars to own. Would I like to own a GTR one day? Sure. When I have the garage space and budget it's a contender without a doubt.

Again, and I think you get it, I was talking about perception only, not empirical data. And you know what they say about people's perception becoming their reality...

 

IMO, this is just getting silly. The GT-R as a great performance sports car that delivers more speed and acceleration than anyone has a right to expect for a surprisingly low price. It is a great, nearly hand-made car constructed with techniques that were invented just for it and I would be proud to own one. Trying to diminish it is pointless.

That said, I could have purchased one and saved a great deal of money, but I did not. I ordered a 991S. Just as the GT-R is what is, so too is the 991. There is no doubt that, better or worse, the two drive and feel differently. And, raw numbers aside, both are for most purposes, and most days, able to deliver performance that is unmatched by 98%+ of the other cars on the road.

the GT-R may be around long enough to become an Icon, but when it does, the 911 will be nearing its century, and that history and identity are important to me. The look and feel of the car is important to me. How a car makes me feel when I drive it is important to me - whether anyone else likes it or not. The GT-R is always a GT-R, I drove it - it is all sports car all the time. the 991, in particular can be a great touring sports car when you want and a monster when you want, just by pushing that little sports+ button. The 911may or may not be a better car. It is more expensive. It is not as quick. but it going to be in my garage, and the GT-R is not.

 

These improvements Porsche has made did not decrease the feeling of connectedness or driver involvement as Tiff was commenting on. Yes he did have the MT, which is more involved but its the overall connection during the driving experience. I recently started a thread about driving the 991S and the 997.2S at the porsche driving school. I also drove the new Cayman R and GT3. The 991 felt just as connected as the Cayman R and more so then anything else except for the GT3, of course. The 991 is so much better and you can not get that from a test drive, going back and forth between it and others on a long race track shows you the real car.
I have respect for the GTR and do not think inferior or superior between the two, its just a personal preference based on driving experience. And if I wanted the best bang for my buck, I would get a ZR1. But again, its not better then a GTR, I simply prefer it.

 

No, it's just how pretend car enthusiasts think.

42 here.

 

Great post. Tired of all the childish trash talk on both sides. Having owned various Porsches, I still race one, and just picked up a 2012 GTR, they really are different cars. It's not surprising that both are iconic in their own way, and to each their own. Congrats on your choice, and maybe one day you will own both.

 

No worries... It is all about preference.

I like this post more than your previous.

 

fyi, best bang would be z06, according to Tommy Milner and Road & track

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/car/corvette-fever

since we are talking corvettes, just out of curiosity, GTR owners, how do u rate the interior of ur car ?

 

AG, zzz, jhuang - All good posts. It is all about preference. Your positions and opinions posted are far more valuable than other posts on here.

 

I have the Black Edition interior and think its better than Z06, ZR1, and 996, but not as nice as 997 and newer.

However, if interior was that important to me... I would have bought myself a 7 Turbo S or R8 and saved myself money either way. The performance, technology and modification platform is why I chose the GTR.

The only car I would leave the GTR for is a TTG, as it's the only other modification platform that compares.

 

Agreed that the track is where you can best see the capabilities of the car and driver, but the experience of driving on the track won't necessarily indicate what the experience of driving at slower speeds on public roads is like. One could argue that the "real car" is the one you'll experience in the conditions you'll actually be driving in.

 

As an '09 owner, I feel the interior is decent, but clearly lacking when compared to an R8 or 911. The interior is much like the performance - purposeful. Almost nothing exists on the car that doesn't serve a purpose.

It is adequate. I do prefer the technology that comes standard on all GT-R's (the programmable multifunction display, HDD for music, dual screen GPS, etc...). Like everything, it has its pros and cons. Nissan does cut corners. If they didn't, the GT-R would cost over $150k.