I have never seen ripoff defined that way, must be a new thing, the dictionary defines it as a theft, swindle or exploitation which the power kit is not, they tell you exactly what you will get. Porsche does not promise 75 hp and only give 30. This is about worth, if you think the cost justifies the results, you get it, if not.. Don't. But I do not see how anyone can claim they were ripped off.

 

Sorry, but the term ripoff is exactly that.. being cheated or duped... Has nothing to do with margins or cost... And while I personally don't find the value in it, it is far from cheating anyone assuming it is as described.. And I've heard nothing to the contrary..

 

You have gone right to the heart of the matter. The main advantage of the Powerkit are NOT reflected in 0-60 or quarter mile times, where so much of the issue is overcoming the 0 MPH start and using low end torque to gather speed. The horsepower advantage of kit grows as the speed increases (up until drag takes over north of 160 or so and 435 or 400 makes relatively little difference).

In my one back to back with a friends 4CS Cab, it was clear to both of us that the significantly lighter weight of my C2S had my car feeling "quicker" up to around (censored), but that the X51 revved obviously faster. I am certain that in otherwise same weight cars the power kit car would be obviously faster, the faster the cars were going.

I wish I had it. I am thinking about it. I don't "need" it any more than I "need" an S. As opposed to a 911, for which my need is well established. But..

 

Let's see, the last GTS was 408 hp vs. the S 385 hp. Same torque. So perhaps we can expect a GTS with the wide body, and about ~ 420-430 hp? Maybe they package it a bit more affordably. If so, I'd be in the market. Maybe they just include the power kit with the GTS and you might have a winner. I am a big fan of the 997.2GTS.

 

That's what I'm saying. Where is the benefit here for $13k ? If you can't pick it up thru the 1/4 mile, what does it matter? Don't get me wrong, a faster revving engine is great, but for $13k ? Hell to me PDCC is a bargain in that case.

 

Actually if you look it up, Ripoff is a poor financial transaction where the price does not reflect the value of the product. The power kit fits that definition - even Porsche thinks so since most cars with power kit are above MRM (which means they think its worthless in resale).

What you are implying is that it means a scam which is a different thing entirely - at least according to the wikipedia definition.

 

If the objective is a quarter mile car, no Porsche ever made can compare to many many less expensive alternatives.

Then again, if the X51 price makes what Porsche charges for PDCC (let alone Sport Chrono, stamped crests, and deviated stitching) seem like a bargain, I suppose the marketing department has fully accomplished its mission!

 

Can you get the X51 leather wrapped?

 

My dict says to cheat, steal or swindle..

But the intent of your definition, a poor financial transaction, would generally be something you didn't realize in advance would be a poor transaction.. Ex..I paid for something and it was smaller, lesser quality etc,, that you didn't know in advance..

Here in this case you know exactly what it is and what it costs.. You can buy it with full knowledge and can choose,, You just feel it costs too much which is something different..

Buying any luxury car is a poor financial transaction in reality.. So by definition about any car with a high margin itself is a. Ripoff then...

 

I've got it in my spec. Going to put the order in next week. Now I'm wondering about PDCC.

 

Porsche has been offering X51 for years and telling you EXACTLY what you are getting for your money. Do some research next time before taking a dump in your pants...

 

For the price, yes, it is a ripoff. You can upgrade the whole exhaust system & get a tune, which should yield similar (or better) HP gain numbers for less than $10k.

 

From Porsche:
Stuttgart. For its exceptionally performance-oriented customers, Porsche Exclusive now offers a new power enhancement kit developed for the 911 Carrera S. It focuses specifically on the dynamic properties of the sports car. It boosts the power of the 3.8-litre boxer engine from 400 hp (294 kW) to 430 hp (316 kW), producing even better driving performance. Thanks to this Powerkit, the 911 Carrera S Coupé only needs 4.0 seconds to sprint from zero to 100 km/h with PDK in Sport Plus mode. The kit also increases the top speed by four km/h: to 306 km/h with PDK and to 308 km/h with a seven-speed manual gearbox. However, the enhanced power has not affected fuel economy: fuel consumption values in the NEDC are unchanged despite a power increase of over seven per cent.

The C2S without power kit is 4.3

 

^ When you say C2S w/o power kit is 4.3,

Is that part of the above quote or are you obtaining that info elswhere?

 

One of the pieces in the value equation is the un-enhanced 911CS does 0 - 100 km/h in 4.1 seconds (s+). Thus the kit gets you 0.1 seconds of "faster" and perhaps some better sound for quite a bit of coin. Is that a rip off? Well they are pretty open about putting the info out there for you to look at but the price performance curve does seem, at the very least, a bit rich for what is being delivered.