Who here thinks the Power kit is a ripoff?
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I agree with everything you just mentioned. I was in the same boat. Kicking myself I didn't add it at build time and am contemplating adding it know although it will cost me more $$ darn it. Good choice getting at the factory and if you can afford it, go for it.
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Arguably the entire car is a ripoff when you consider it in context of what Chevrolet is providing in the Z06 with Z07 package that they announced today. For less than a C2S you get a fully loaded 620hp car with Carbon ceramic brakes and lots of other goodies. Even when compared with an M4 the C2S is a ripoff.
Buying the 911 is not about getting value for the money, it's about getting what you desire.
Buying the 911 is not about getting value for the money, it's about getting what you desire.
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Up until yesterday all I knew about the Power kit was the price & reams of
pros & cons.
Let me tell you the 991-50 PDK I test drove yesterday (W/PDCC & SPASM) was an eye opener!
Was much more responsive/alive in both revs & PDK. It's more about the complete experience than 30HP.
PDCC was non intrusive, but the car felt more stable. I have SPASM & pooh-pooh'd the $4K option w/SPASM. Another misconception on my part.
Does anyone know if kits installed, after the fact, have specific additional software updates for the Power kit?
Thanks
pros & cons.
Let me tell you the 991-50 PDK I test drove yesterday (W/PDCC & SPASM) was an eye opener!
Was much more responsive/alive in both revs & PDK. It's more about the complete experience than 30HP.
PDCC was non intrusive, but the car felt more stable. I have SPASM & pooh-pooh'd the $4K option w/SPASM. Another misconception on my part.
Does anyone know if kits installed, after the fact, have specific additional software updates for the Power kit?
Thanks
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Can you please clarify what you mean. Thanks.
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My car has Sport Chrono which includes the Dynamic engine mounts & also has SPASM (20mm lower than base - 10MM lower than PASM) + PSP.
In a 20 minute test drive - mostly to tell if there was an appreciable difference w/the Power kit, I immediately could tell the car felt tighter - not harsher, just more planted. Hard to describe, but in the corners it was a more accurate "point & shoot" the way the car cornered & then straightened out. As far as body lean, not able to quantify.....only that the car felt great.
This car (911-50) had PSP too, so it was pretty much a back to back comparison.
In a 20 minute test drive - mostly to tell if there was an appreciable difference w/the Power kit, I immediately could tell the car felt tighter - not harsher, just more planted. Hard to describe, but in the corners it was a more accurate "point & shoot" the way the car cornered & then straightened out. As far as body lean, not able to quantify.....only that the car felt great.
This car (911-50) had PSP too, so it was pretty much a back to back comparison.
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Up until yesterday all I knew about the Power kit was the price & reams of
pros & cons.
Let me tell you the 991-50 PDK I test drove yesterday (W/PDCC & SPASM) was an eye opener!
Was much more responsive/alive in both revs & PDK. It's more about the complete experience than 30HP.
PDCC was non intrusive, but the car felt more stable. I have SPASM & pooh-pooh'd the $4K option w/SPASM. Another misconception on my part.
Does anyone know if kits installed, after the fact, have specific additional software updates for the Power kit?
Thanks
pros & cons.
Let me tell you the 991-50 PDK I test drove yesterday (W/PDCC & SPASM) was an eye opener!
Was much more responsive/alive in both revs & PDK. It's more about the complete experience than 30HP.
PDCC was non intrusive, but the car felt more stable. I have SPASM & pooh-pooh'd the $4K option w/SPASM. Another misconception on my part.
Does anyone know if kits installed, after the fact, have specific additional software updates for the Power kit?
Thanks
I'm pretty sure there is no software (PDK) difference between cars that have the power kit vs. those that don't. At least they don't mention it in the power kit sales literature. As you know I have the power kit and the difference is not insignificant. Those that have it love it, while those they don't and have never experienced it say it's a waste.
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Suncoast gave me a great deal on the X51 install. Something like $85 per hr for 45 hrs. Was more than double at my local dealer. X51 requires an ECU flash, but don't think the PDK software is different. There was a PDK update as part of regular maintenance updates, maybe that's the difference?
Attached X51 installation and tech manual.
Attached X51 installation and tech manual.
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I would not exactly call it a rip off, but if that is what you want then that is what you must pay. If I wanted a vette or an M4, regardless of hp numbers/price comparo's etc...I'd be driving a vette or an M4. I drive what I desire, not what others think is a better value.
Ripoff doesn't mean anyone is being cheated. A car purchase is by definition voluntary. Ripoff means that the economic rent of the seller is very high versus the consumer surplus is slim. A characteristic of all German performance cars, but some more so than others.
The upside is that it seems this pricing discipline does result in better resale. Cars with power kit are pretty expensive second hand because supply is so low.
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I would because I bet the manufacturers margin is a lot higher than on other cars.
Ripoff doesn't mean anyone is being cheated. A car purchase is by definition voluntary. Ripoff means that the economic rent of the seller is very high versus the consumer surplus is slim. A characteristic of all German performance cars, but some more so than others.
The upside is that it seems this pricing discipline does result in better resale. Cars with power kit are pretty expensive second hand because supply is so low.
Ripoff doesn't mean anyone is being cheated. A car purchase is by definition voluntary. Ripoff means that the economic rent of the seller is very high versus the consumer surplus is slim. A characteristic of all German performance cars, but some more so than others.
The upside is that it seems this pricing discipline does result in better resale. Cars with power kit are pretty expensive second hand because supply is so low.
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I think I get it. If a buyer views the reduction in time for the engine to to go from 5500 rpm to 7500 rpm as "surplus" performance, the power kit is a ripoff for the buyer. Multiply that by the number of gears and it is a no brainer for that driver not to desire it. One the other hand...
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I dislike the word ripoff in this context, especially in the context of the car. You are paying for the brand. You are paying for the exclusivity - not just because of cost but because of limited production. You are paying for vision, style and the time it spent to get it there. You can find I less expensive versions of fine Swiss watches and they will keep time just as well. Which you select, and whether it is a good value is a personal choice. I can totally respect those who place little value on such things, but most of us made the other choice.
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Yes the Powerkit is expensive but to elaborate on previous posts:
-ordered from the factory it includes other (useful) options.
-you can go aftermarket to try to gain 30hp, but between headers, exhaust, tune, intake (provided it really brings something in the 991) + labor, you will not be far from the Porsche price unless you go for very cheap stuff.
And at the end of the day, putting parts from various vendors together, each of them often claiming unrealistic power gains, may not get you to the 30hp anyway. As opposed to many aftermarket guys, Porsche is not known for overstating its power output and performance. You know you will get what you paid for.
Do not take me wrong, I love to buy aftermarket parts and personalize my car but I have a tendency to believe vendors who claim 'reasonable' gains. A well known vendor is selling an x-pipe exhaust claiming +60hp @ 4,000 rpm :roll eyes:
If you are a speed or track junkie and are going to push the car to the redline, the Power kit makes sense. It is not cheap, but you chose to buy a P-car, so deal with it
-ordered from the factory it includes other (useful) options.
-you can go aftermarket to try to gain 30hp, but between headers, exhaust, tune, intake (provided it really brings something in the 991) + labor, you will not be far from the Porsche price unless you go for very cheap stuff.
And at the end of the day, putting parts from various vendors together, each of them often claiming unrealistic power gains, may not get you to the 30hp anyway. As opposed to many aftermarket guys, Porsche is not known for overstating its power output and performance. You know you will get what you paid for.
Do not take me wrong, I love to buy aftermarket parts and personalize my car but I have a tendency to believe vendors who claim 'reasonable' gains. A well known vendor is selling an x-pipe exhaust claiming +60hp @ 4,000 rpm :roll eyes:
If you are a speed or track junkie and are going to push the car to the redline, the Power kit makes sense. It is not cheap, but you chose to buy a P-car, so deal with it
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I'm just wondering where those 30 extra HP go because according to Porsche, a C2S with and without the kit have exactly the same 0-60 and quarter mile times.
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I had not noticed that before (1/4 mile times). I'm now extremely intrigued by this.