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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 10:24 PM
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That's what you get for a factory performance-oriented package. You could possibly gain the same amount by installing headers, an x-pipe, aftermarket filters, and a tune. You'd spend a bit less money, but you'd be giving your dealer a reason to complain if something went wrong on the car.


That said, I'm not justifying the cost; after all, I passed on an X51-equipped car for my C2S.
 
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2536
I figured I spent about $9,000 on my E92 for bolt-ons that got me about 40hp. Also, I basically voided the warranty on the car and had a few issues with fit or installation along the way. I knew I would not be able to replicate that with bolt-ons on a 911. I convinced myself I would not modify the 911. We'll see how that goes...
I think that's a good point. If you wanted that little extra but didn't want to do aftermarket then this is the only way to go, premium pricing or not.
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 12:21 AM
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30 hp

Originally Posted by chance6
I mean seriously. $17,800 with PSE and Sport Chrono, so you're really paying about $13,000 for the added 30 hp. Surefire seems like a rip off to me. C'mon man. They need to add power to the Carrera and Carrera S for free. Add 30 hp for us for free. They need to be working on this.
Porsche dribbles out the power. It used to be you would get 10 hp improvements every year. No more.

They will price gouge the $13000 because some wealthy person will pay it. Kind of like a special Mercedes amg or BMW m series.

The "free" 30hp comes during the mid cycle refresh in one or two years. They can't have the carrera s get too close to the new gt3s or the old turbos.
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 03:47 AM
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If you're leasing the difference shouldn't be that significant and for all the options that Porsche offers this one surely is the one that will give you the most enjoymen!. I also think it will make your car more desirable when you sell if you are buying out right. Will you get 100% of your money back? No, but you won't get 100% of the MSRP back or 100% of any options you buy back either.

What you will have is a special and rarer 991 that will be more fun to drive and make the other 991 owners at the PCA meetings and other Porsche events wish they had what you have. That incremental 30 HP may also make you glad you added when the refresh comes out because, the price will likely go up at that point and there will be little reason for you to pine over the "991.2" like the other "991.1" owners. I think the satisfaction level from that incremental 30 HP will be huge, not everybody wants a GT3 as their street car.
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 04:15 AM
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With that extra output, no. But slightly overpriced, maybe
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 07:33 AM
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well....it's certainly not a Bargain!!

But when you have to pay $175 for crests on your wheels, you gotta expect to get gouged everywhere!
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DoninDEN
If you're leasing the difference shouldn't be that significant and for all the options that Porsche offers this one surely is the one that will give you the most enjoymen!. I also think it will make your car more desirable when you sell if you are buying out right. Will you get 100% of your money back? No, but you won't get 100% of the MSRP back or 100% of any options you buy back either.

I thought that too. That was until I learned about MRM. With a few other options, the X51 package basically make the car "unleasable."
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 08:22 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if they discontinue this option is short course. The Power kit has hardly been flying off their shelves, and the discerning buyer has wisely steered clear for reasons stated above.

I can think of several options that are obvious rip-offs from Porsche, but the Power kit (while highly questionable in terms of value for money) is not one of them.
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 08:56 AM
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Yes the Powerkit is expensive but to elaborate on previous posts:
-ordered from the factory it includes other (useful) options.
-you can go aftermarket to try to gain 30hp, but between headers, exhaust, tune, intake (provided it really brings something in the 991) + labor, you will not be far from the Porsche price unless you go for very cheap stuff.

And at the end of the day, putting parts from various vendors together, each of them often claiming unrealistic power gains, may not get you to the 30hp anyway. As opposed to many aftermarket guys, Porsche is not known for overstating its power output and performance. You know you will get what you paid for.
Do not take me wrong, I love to buy aftermarket parts and personalize my car but I have a tendency to believe vendors who claim 'reasonable' gains. A well known vendor is selling an x-pipe exhaust claiming +60hp @ 4,000 rpm :roll eyes:

If you are a speed or track junkie and are going to push the car to the redline, the Power kit makes sense. It is not cheap, but you chose to buy a P-car, so deal with it
 

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Originally Posted by Money2536
I thought that too. That was until I learned about MRM. With a few other options, the X51 package basically make the car "unleasable."

What's MRM and why would it be unleaseable?
 
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Originally Posted by DoninDEN
...not everybody wants a GT3 as their street car.
My thought exactly.
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 09:44 AM
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Porsche has been getting very stingy about increasing power output and I have harped on this on other threads. I have been brand loyal for 20 years but I think my current 991 will be my last 911. I cannot justify the ever increasing costs with the ever decreasing power increases. There are too many variants of 911. In my opinion there should just be a "911" and a "911 turbo". Who needs a base, S, GTS , etc.. just make the naturally aspirated 911 as good as engineering will allow and we will buy it. Don't hold back the parts like the "power kit" that make the car better. The car should have that stuff standard. I will no longer pay $100k for a 350hp car when I can pay $65k for a 420hp M4 with 400 lbs of torque and a $900 reflash will have that car near 500hp... or maybe a Jaguar F type coupe for $90k and over 500hp.....the much improved Corvette for $60k and 450hp...... Porsche is lagging far behind and the exodus will continue until the ship is righted and they start offering VALUE for the dollar.
 
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Originally Posted by tromero
Porsche has been getting very stingy about increasing power output and I have harped on this on other threads. I have been brand loyal for 20 years but I think my current 991 will be my last 911. I cannot justify the ever increasing costs with the ever decreasing power increases. There are too many variants of 911. In my opinion there should just be a "911" and a "911 turbo". Who needs a base, S, GTS , etc.. just make the naturally aspirated 911 as good as engineering will allow and we will buy it. Don't hold back the parts like the "power kit" that make the car better. The car should have that stuff standard. I will no longer pay $100k for a 350hp car when I can pay $65k for a 420hp M4 with 400 lbs of torque and a $900 reflash will have that car near 500hp... or maybe a Jaguar F type coupe for $90k and over 500hp.....the much improved Corvette for $60k and 450hp...... Porsche is lagging far behind and the exodus will continue until the ship is righted and they start offering VALUE for the dollar.
I mentioned supply and demand in my earlier post. Competition is always good so I hope this does nudge Porsche to add more to the car. Either dropping the price for some of the options or just adding them in as base options.
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tromero
Porsche is lagging far behind and the exodus will continue until the ship is righted and they start offering VALUE for the dollar.
Check this: Porsche Reports Record Sales in 2013: 21 percent increase over 2012.

Not everybody seems to be of the same opinion
Porsche sold 6,500 more underpowered, low value for money Boxster, Cayman and 911 in 2013 in the US.
A 911S is not twice as good as a Corvette and a 458 is not twice as good as a 911S... but that's how things go for any high performance/luxury product. Nothing new here.
 
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DoninDEN
What's MRM and why would it be unleaseable?
MRM is the maximum residual MSRP. Essentially, it is the highest value that is allowed to be residualized under your lease terms. For the C/CS, I believe it is somewhere around $119-120,000.

Anything over that price will be paid in full under your lease terms (if I understood this correctly). So, if you spec an already-loaded CS with the X51 Powerkit, you'll probably go over the MRM, and your lease numbers will be astronomically higher compared to cars under the MRM.
 


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