Very well put. For all of those who are whining about the 'lack of power' of our N/A 911's, I invite them to ask themselves how often they are completely flooring it.... And for the few times they do it, how often do they think they are going too slow? Discussing about the desire to get a GT3, a fine gentleman asked us if we were going flat out in turn 12 at Road Atlanta (just taking this one as an example). The answer being no, he told us that we did not need a GT3 yet. I think he made a point. I'd still like to buy a GT3 though
Unless you are capable -or have the opportunity- to use 100% of your car on a regular basis, more power is for bragging rights only.

 

^^^^+1

 

My bigger problem with navigation systems in car is they are typically terrible. I've yet to fine an OEM nav in any car (Low end or luxury) that is as good as my cheap and reliable portable Garmin I use when I travel.

I saw a demo of Google maps integrated into an Audi at the consumer elect show about 4 years ago.. It was one of those trade show technology things, but I'd take that over anyone's OEM Nav system.. At least it is something just about everyone can easily use and enter in a location..

About the only benefit of OEM navigation for me as a DD, is traffic

 

That's fine if you want Google tracking everywhere you go in your car, as well as online. If you value your privacy, not so much.

 

Google, and dozens of other companies, already have the ability to track every second of your daily happenings. Having the system integrated into your car won't change much.

 

Actually, it changes quite a bit if you don't currently use an Android phone or Google services on another phone. They currently (attempt) to track you everywhere online, but, otherwise, IRL, they don't have much of a profile on you if you don't use their services on your phone. Having Google location services integrated in your car would be a huge change to that.

And, it's simply not true that "other companies" are able to track you like Google does. Sure, your CC company knows you made some purchases and your phone company knows you made some phone calls and has some location data, but none of these other companies is even remotely close to the amount and detail of information that Google has on you, and relentlessly attempts to increase by any means possible, including browser hacking. There is absolutely no comparison between Google and "other companies". The real threat to your privacy isn't that someone knows some thing about you, it's that some one party knows virtually everything about you, consolidated in a single database.

 

No, that wasn't my point... just an illustration of something that we all use and understand. .

I wasn't suggesting that google maps is a viable solution, for an OEM product.. Just in a lot of ways, it's much easier to use than the crappy systems the OEMs installs. (I spent about 10 minutes in wifes new car trying to get an address in, and finally we gave up and just looked on our phones for the location)..

And in reality Google maps works half way decent on your phone but it really isn't really very polished for turn by turn, land guidance and letting providing voice guidance which are the nuances that make a good map and routing device..

As for tracking you, well there are ways around that.. Google maps which I use on my iPhone, allows you to use when you are disconnected from the internet as long as the maps have been downloaded previously.. (I use this when in Europe where I don't have a dataplan and preload the maps.. So there is little tracking that can occur when you are offline.. Works ok for walking around a city..

And you can always just have a bogus Google account.. Yeah it tracks you, but you can keep it separate from your primary accounts so it's tracking someone just not anything that is identifiable..

But your point is valid, but also don't be so sure how much privacy you have anyway.. I'm not clear PCM doesn't track or record you to a certain extent, but I know the rest of the car also does (brake data, engine data) so there are lots of things LE can look for if there were so inclined.. But yes Google does make it way too easy..

 

Apple Maps (the default on iOS since iOS 6) also stores vector Map data for offline use.

But, a better way around the issue of bad OEM mapping software is this: http://jalopnik.com/the-2015-honda-f...ght-1503004780

 

You have to hand it to Chevy, they ARE coming on strong and clearly Chevy is the best performance value. But for true quality and value over the long haul nothing compares to a 911.

Porsche makes a ton of margin on options. The only way to beat their well-tuned marketing system is to spec your car from scratch. Think about ordering a base Turbo. It roars and it comes with everything any driver really needs. Skip metallic seat backs and illuminated door sills.

 

Yeah the thing is my phone is fine for looking at statically or walking around, but it isn't all that great for turn by turn and picking the best routes in a downtown area full of 1 way streets...

I just want something half as good as my garmin..

 

Right, except that a majority of users have/will have an Android or iOS phone in their pocket, of which the former relies heavily on Google's services. Even iOS has extensive integration of user preferences and location services, as you pointed out above. Further, a large number of car manufacturers have already implemented Google's map service into their navigation systems; the rest are rolling out these features over the next few months.

Back to your original point… if we correctly assume that a majority of users use Google's "Maps" application for their navigation purposes, then Google already "knows" where you're going in your car; it's all using the same server and account information. If your car lacks Google integration, you're much more likely to grab your Galaxy S4, enter in your destination, and drive off (instead of taking the time to dial it into Porsche's PCM). Hence, integration or not, Google has the information.

Lastly, sure, Google may be the biggest company of the bunch, but there are other examples-- Facebook being one of them. Mobile/desktop integration, location services, event attendance and tracking, phone number integration, payment information, etc.

My point is that Google's integration into a car's navigation system won't have nearly as big of a "privacy" effect as you think it will; that google-linked cell phone is already sitting in your pocket with the same exact information.

 

I guess what I meant by 'ripoff' on the powerkit was that it's very pricey for a 30 hp gain. Talking value for the money. Find it lacking in that dept., but yes technically not a ripoff by the Webster's dictionary definition.

 

Most iOS users use the built-in maps*. Obviously, the solution, if you value privacy, is not to use, "that google-linked cell phone," or anything else that feeds their every expanding, privacy threatening databases.


* http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...e-iphone-users

 

It's not completely out of line with Porsche's pricing of hp, but it is at the high end. But, as someone else in the thread pointed out, there are both cheaper and substantially more expensive options than Porsche's. As for value, that's a personal decision, but, as someone else pointed out, it's the closest thing to a manual GT3 you can currently get, so, for the person who wants that, it may well have value.

 

I wanted a C2S over a GT3 for multiple reasons (in no particular order):

1.) Back Seats
2.) Burmester Option
3.) I hate the look of the cheap wire mesh grills on the GT3 front bumper (I know trivial)
4.) Manual
5.) Most importantly, I can't get a GT3, so none of my above points matter.


I decided, after much consternation, that I wanted the Powerkit for multiple reasons.

1.) I am attempting to avoid the inevitable frustrating headaches and busted knuckles that come from aftermarket parts.
2.) The sweating that comes every time I may have a warranty issue. I dislike always wondering when the engine is going to explode from an aftermarket tune. Although I've never had a problem, I'm sure my day is coming when I have to write a check for a new motor and transmission because I had some part that claimed something that it didn't actually do properly.
3.) I saw many on this forum and Rennlist that have had their cars torn apart to add it after the fact.
4.) I didn't want to regret not getting it (double negative?).
5.) Since I can't actually get a GT3, I decided to ask myself if I was willing to extend the budget I had set. I rethought every option I currently had and made the car as close to my perfect as I could within reason. I had to leave off PDCC and CCB. I don't think I did too poorly.